http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Project Coordinator said "Thanks for your enquiry. The following positions are funded by the current Environment Levy: · Natural Resource Projects Coordinator · Natural Resource Project Officer- Community Support · Natural Resource Project Officer- events and education · Sustainability Project Officer · 2 X Bushcare Team leaders (one position currently being filled) · 2 X Bush regenerators · The Environment Levy also partly funds the Parks and Open Space Coordinators position and Bushland Project Officer position. These positions carry out the projects and conduct the on-ground works that relate specifically to the Environment Levy. The matter of the illegal tree clearing is being handled by Council's Rangers, who are funded from core business. Rangers are aware of the issues in this area and are continuing to investigate. If you have any further leads in this matter, or if you wish to discuss it further, the Rangers can be contacted on 4868 0888 (An after hours service is provided and after-hours numbers listed in the telephone book). " 2012-01-04 17:38:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-plans-and-documents-submitted-as-part-of-a-land-use-application-for-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-at-moss-vale john said "would like to see pool deeper than 1.5m as children love to "pin drop" to see if they can get to bottom . I understand that would add more cost but i am sure children would enjoy it .Also being deeper it may be easier to teach adults to tread water as they will not be able to touch bottom may be 2m. I think moss vale is the better sight as if you look at a map of the southern highlands moss vale is the geographical centre of the district" 2012-01-02 08:36:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-plans-and-documents-submitted-as-part-of-a-land-use-application-for-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-at-moss-vale Willie said "I am enthusiastically in favour of the new aquatic centre. However, there are many "Highlanders" who would be very grateful for access to a heated pool for hydrotherapy. Personally, I think that swimming and diving should be prohibited in this pool, reserving it for its primary purpose, hydrotherapy. Brian (East Bowral)" 2011-12-19 13:08:09 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Wayne said "I don't see the point of an environmental levy, as i believe it only maintains office staff [ 12 of ] making up policy and proceedures. There is nobody on the ground to do any work. I live near the Mt Alexandia reserve which is crown land and I noticed that a lot of timber had been cut up for fire wood. I could see about 10 / 12 trees that had been cut up and removed. Some of these trees had been standing and now cut down. I tried to report this on a Saturday. I tried to find a rangers phone number and couldn't. As now I believe there isn't any rangers any more and if there is they are now car parking rangers. I tried to contact council the next week, but for what ever reason i couldn't get through. So I sent in an email with the above listed info. I got a return phone call about 2 weeks later from council, but after talking, he said it wasn't his area. So again what is the point if the levy when, I point out a very obvious breach and nobody [ 12 people in this office ] is able to look at it. " 2011-12-18 08:56:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-plans-and-documents-submitted-as-part-of-a-land-use-application-for-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-at-moss-vale martyn said "The general population of the shire has been crying out for this type of facility for too long. The shire desperately needs this type of infrastructure with a view to the future and expected growth. I am in favour of the design and location. Now lets get started and win over some popularity votes from the rate payers." 2011-12-16 14:27:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why JGA said "No I am opposed to any addittional levys. Why do council assume they have no need to abide within the same restraints as their ratepayers that is live within their means. If they appointed staff and a counciller that were even half financially literate theywould be in possession of some $24m for special projects. My view is that as Council have been shown as financially incompenent all revenue sources should be restricted." 2011-12-16 10:58:25 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Francesca said "Thank for responding, I appreciate that you are doing what you can and will be very grateful to have the area slashed as soon as you can get into the area. Thank You Frances Cashmere " 2011-12-15 20:53:08 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Project Coordinator said "Council has undertaken a lot of work upstream of your property in the vicinity of Cosgrove Park. In this area we have removed all of the woody weeds (willows, privet etc) and revegetated with native species. Council has plans to progressively continue these works downstream, including the area near your property. Completion of this plan make take a couple of years (with a continuation of the Levy). In the meantime Council has sprayed the blackberry and some of the woody weeds in this riparian area. The grassed area behind your property is planned to be slashed once the area dries out and allows us access. If you wish to discuss some of the long term plans for Whites Creek, feel free to contact our Natural Resources Officer." 2011-12-14 14:47:35 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-plans-and-documents-submitted-as-part-of-a-land-use-application-for-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-at-moss-vale mark81 said "Firstly, what happened to listening to the community on the leisure centre. If you look at all existing comments, a majority had ruled out MossVale as a location because it is not central to the community. If council learnt anything, MossVale is not central, and building a centre at MossVale may be the cheapest, but certainly will not be the most attended centre. To catch a bus from the northern villages to MossVale requires 3 bus changes, this will not be a great location, due to public transport. Also, how can 42 parking spaces be enough when councils own consultant had an attendance of over 200 people a day, most of these will be before and after school." 2011-12-14 13:22:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Mich said "My problem is not the levy as such. It is the way the Council will administer it. In several areas there is distrust of the credibility and integrity of the Council and embarrassment over their bickering which sometimes hits the local press. If the environment inside the Council is as toxic as it is, despite the efforts of some officers, there is little hope for the external environment." 2011-12-12 08:17:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Francesca said "We are not against a small enviroment levy, but we would like to know if it includes looking after all the Southern Highlands in the Wingecarribee Shire. We live near Whites Creek which runs parallel to Berrima Road and I have rang the council and sent emails but as yet have had no repy as to when the council will be able to clean it up. Does it come under the Enviroment Umbrella of the Southern Highlands? The grass is as tall as me, the snakes I am sure are rampant and hopefully no kids will get bitten. There is a blackberry bush growing at the back of our neighbours house and the branches of the trees in the creek were broken off in the bad storm we had months ago and now they are regenerating. Could we please have some feedback on what is proposed for that area. We were told at the time we bought that block of land that the creek would be looked after and maintained by the council. I don't want another reply saying you will put in a report I just want to know when you are planning to clear it. lookming forward to your response. Frances cashmere." 2011-12-09 18:01:24 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why Wol said "When I moved to the Southern Highlands seven years ago several people told me to beware of the Wingecarribee council: the general opinion was that it had one of the highest spend of any NSW council because of the amount of litigation it got into. I don't know whether this is correct, but my own observations conclude that it has to be right up there in the getting-rid-of-ratepayers'-money-for-no-result league. The Lehman Bros fiasco is only the highest profile example but there are many more. In the Lehman case, who on earth was responsible? The council, in my opinion. Ratepayers' funds are not there to be gambled with and any teen with street cred is aware that if an "investment" is too complicated to understand it shouldn't be touched with a bargepole regardless of the (in this case, minute) extra return. So my answer is: NO - abide by the limit on rate increases. Give 'em more money and they will find ways of chucking it down the toilet." 2011-12-09 10:38:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Peter Cunningham said "Dandy: You describe the typical situation of National Parks. Generally National Parks are managed by exclusion, for financial reasons. The end result is that coupled with a "green" preservationist mindset - parks are known breeding grounds for both feral animals of all sorts, and on the fringes, feral flora. Parks don't become a haven for wildlife but a feeding ground for feral animals. You describe the same situation with Council. Peter Cunningham" 2011-12-09 07:52:34 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services jeff said "Yes I strongly support the continuation of the levy, however my support is conditional on the understanding that the funds are accounted for separately to general rates and they are utilised for genuine environmental issues and not on non applicable projects. I would also like to see greater use of volunteers where appropriate or possible, in the carrying out of some environmental projects." 2011-12-07 21:35:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space dandy8022 said "I own a rural property and also one in Moss Vale. I have fenced off 40 acres to secure the environment around a creek running through my property. I maintain this land, remove weeds and try and keep vermin out. I do all this with my own labour and money. I do not see why I should pay an additional levy to council. Council own an adjoining 13 acre site to my property and it is a disgrace, the only maintenance ever carried out on the council land is by me and my neighbour. Council put out a survey for residence to fill in. At point 11 it is obvious that council posed this question so as to issolate objectors. Here are a few more points that I think residence will agree on. Do not waste our money on poor investments Have a good look at the council salaries and what those positions add to the community Do not use Research Companies to survey residents. I am sure you could fund the environment programme by simply looking to these 3 areas." 2011-12-07 16:21:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services Mot said "If the levy is continued on our rate notices, I would like for it to include a green waste bin at least once a fortnight. We pay enough Rates now for what we get." 2011-12-05 13:37:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space Peter Cunningham said "Peter - That's an interesting approach. Could you explain more about the $111.36? I'm missing the connection there (or is that in my head?) I agree with you in part (as explained in the first item on this forum), and have long stated that the use of a charge that's related to risk analysis / viability of any mine, could be a very powerful tool. I say that in context that risks of subsidence, pollution, and impact on existing infrastructure should be crucial part of any viability study and have realistic costs via worst case guarantees in place. Any remediation required as a result of any mining activity will be fully met, and long after the company dissolves. Equally important is the requirement to proportionally make shareholders personally liable for any damages and remediation. I see that as the only way to truly represent the cost of a resource to a society and be able to properly manage the environment. That said and further to my first posting in the first topic - "bureaucratic management fees" are a coincern, as bureaucracies will spend $100 to manage $120 properly, leaving $20 to do a $120 job. Corporations can't operate like that but governmentum does. The real issue I think I have highlighted, and that's the need for a levy in the first place. Proper management would see no need for levies. Imagine if a shirt manufacturer was going a bit broke, so 'he' decides to impose a 'save me' levy on each shirt. It's a futile effort for him, but not for bureaucracies who have no such responsibility because they can tax at whim, by calling it something else. PC" 2011-12-02 12:42:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services PRM said "I strongly believe the levy and current services should be maintained. It is perhaps the only hope our local environment has! Our children and grandchildren need us to care. Such good work has been done over the past ten years because of the levy and that needs to be ongoing. There will never be sufficient funding from general revenue and the environment would be the first to suffer if funding came from that source. It seems a very large section of our community has little regard for the environment; just look at the amount of litter that is strewn along our highways, byways and even the rail corridor. It is all such a shame! " 2011-11-30 16:59:18 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services Peter Cunningham said "I have issues with ANY levy. Once in place, bureaucracies and governmentum have a penchant for introducing further levis in order to do what they are required to do in the first place. An analogy is the BOT (Build Operate Transfer) infrastructure. We already pay taxes to do just that, but government and bureaucratic machinations see vast sums of that money squandered, usually on selfish political issues. The result is the cry for further imposts on taxpayers - double taxation if you like. An example of discriminatory and double taxation that results from government ineptitude is the 'temporary' "Flood Levy". In what way will people in this shire be protected from further imposts? That said - levies can be a useful tool for fine tuning the specific requirements of a particular region, and so because society demands 'better things'. All comes at a cost. The survey is somewhat 'loaded'. When it comes to water quality, flora and fauna, the average resident has NIL impact. The presence of the question infers that residential areas DO have impact, when in fact it is rural activities that impact. Accordingly, rural activities need management plans and already must abide by many environmental laws. The results from these questions will lead to misleading outcomes in this survey. So: In the washup I support a permanent levy, and one adjusted to keep pace with inflation, but with the caveat that ratepayers are guaranteed to be not subject to further such financial imposts. I worry however of the futility of it all, given that State and Federal governments are hellbent on undermining the shire that is likely to destroy by far above any benefits gained from such a levy. Peter Cunningham " 2011-11-30 10:03:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/got-something-else-to-say-about-the-environment-levy-use-this-space jbtr said "I fully support a continuation of the Environmental Levy but it is quite inequitable to charge a resident $40.40 as opposed to a Mining Company's $111.36. At less than 3 times the $ amount, obviously a mine causes far more than 3 times the environmental damage than the average resident to say nothing of what a mine extracts from OUR resource in profits. If we continue with the levy , let's all contribute but let's also take this as seriously as it deserves and charge Mining Companies a far more appropriate figure; e.g. 10 or 20 thousand dollars; most can well afford it.. Peter Scott." 2011-11-23 16:10:04 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-there-any-particular-environmental-or-sustainability-initiatives-youd-like-council-to-consider piscesfish said "There may be opportunities for Council to consider purchasing specific land parcels with environmental importance to add to the community bank of environmnetal assets, so the these areas are not compromised, but form critical biodiversity links and a natural investment for future generations." 2011-11-21 23:53:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/how-has-the-environment-levy-contributed-to-your-enjoyment-of-the-southern-highlands piscesfish said "The levy gives me a sense of security, knowing that Council can allocate funds directly into supporting bushcare and landcare volunteers. It makes me feel that Council care about our natural environmnet and are prepared to back that commitment up with practical investmenst for the future. It makes me proud to know thatteh future of our children really matters." 2011-11-21 23:50:04 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/in-october-last-year-we-asked-the-community-to-tell-us-their-priorities-for-the-natural-environment-what-is-important-to-you piscesfish said "Vegetation protection and restoration. Wildlife connectivity and habitat protection and enhancement. river protection and restoration. eductation. wetland protection. protection of ground and surface water, particularly from mining!" 2011-11-21 23:46:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why piscesfish said "Yes, I support the levy 100%. Why? Because if we enjoy life, we have no option other than to repair the abuse of the abuse and neglect of our environmnet over the last 200+ years." 2011-11-21 23:42:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services piscesfish said "it is critical that we contginue to value add to our environmental responsibilities. The only way to continu to build on the 10 year plus investment is to make the levy permanent. we owe it to our kids, don't we!" 2011-11-21 23:39:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services mark81 said "One example is Hamock Hill Reserve in East Bowral. I am against levies such as this as councils seem to cry poor and want any excuse to raise extra funds. In the shoalhaven for example, there is lots of environmental works that are paid for out of usual council rates. After all, isn't that what council rates are for? I am also against using $45,000 from the levy to fund application for another levy. I also point towards the additional huge cost of upkeep many years down the track - if this will ever occur. Once work has been done, it becomes a cost of upkeep and the levy can't pay for all this upkeep - so will it get back to square one." 2011-11-21 21:37:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services lyndal said "Perhaps some examples could be given by Mark ??? One of the irritating things about having temporary levies is that applications have to be made to renew, and that costs a lot in public consultations and staff time - if we have permanent environmental funds, we won't have to go through this again." 2011-11-21 17:22:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved bwpi said " Bowral Water Polo Club committee have written to WSC re the proposed indoor centre. Some of their points for opposing are outlined below. 1. There is no opportunity to play Water Polo in the proposed pool. ‘Consultation’ with the largest aquatic sporting club in the Highlands regarding the proposed centre has been far from adequate. 2. This area of central Moss Vale is already congested with traffic. The proposed facility allows for only 30 car spaces which will leave patrons to find parking close by in an area that already struggles with limited available parking. Plans to redevelop the council chambers and locate a district police station in the area will just make the traffic congestion worse. 3. The overall scale of the proposal is far too small. The consensus is that the district is crying out for an Olympic sized multi- purpose facility incorporating a championship pool, with an ability to play water polo and an indoor gymnasium. " 2011-11-21 14:38:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/how-has-the-environment-levy-contributed-to-your-enjoyment-of-the-southern-highlands JMich said "I love to get out in the bush and see the birds and wildflowers, but hate to see weeds such as English IVY covering the trees. It is good to know that there are some programs in place, funded by the Levy, to help the bush from being invaded by all those weeds that so many like to plant in their gardens. " 2011-11-21 10:31:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why JMich said "Absolutely, Happy to pay the extra amount towards the upkeep of our environment for future generations. It is such a small amount to pay! " 2011-11-21 10:02:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services JMich said "We definitely need the levy to maintain the current level of environmental services. I live in this shire because I love the open spaces and natural environment, but understand that keeping this shire looking good and improving the quality of the environment comes at an additional cost." 2011-11-21 09:56:57 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre bec said "I've already commented on my preference for a 50m pool and I would enjoy a swim squad. Clean facilities would ensure that I brought along the kids. kiddie swim classes all year. A quality kiosk that sells wholesome food and snacks rather than standard hamburgers etc. " 2011-11-20 21:38:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bec said "As a lap swimmer (prior to moving to SH) for my physical and mental health a heated 50m pool would ensure I used the facility. A cramped 25m with limited hours of access won't get my visit. Adequate accessible car parking will be important. " 2011-11-20 21:26:53 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved bec said "With all the effort going into this project & the history of heart ache around the issue it would be a mistake to not create an all-weather 50m pool. Swimmers know this is the standard. The development of a swimming facility is an opportunity to create an attractive feature for the region. I think a 50m pool is important. " 2011-11-20 21:14:25 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Emma P said "I think an upgrade to the Moss Vale pool is a great decision. Centrally located in the Highlands and fantastic for the town of Moss Vale. I think people from all towns in the shire will use it. I know I would! The only negative I have is that it's way overdue!" 2011-11-20 17:29:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why mittagong said " Whatever happens, it must be very clear that the most beautiful pool in the Highlands must continue to operate for Mittagong and Northern Villages, Mittagong Pool is one of the most beautiful and attractive pools around and must be kept open, it is special to the people of the Mittagong area. I am all for an Aquatic centre at Moss vale, so long as Mittagong stays open. It would be a total lack of forsight if Council down the track after the Aquatic Centre at Moss Vale is opern then closes Mittagong, I think there might be an uprising if Mittagong is closed. " 2011-11-19 09:41:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved mittagong said " Whatever happens do not close Mittagong Pool the most beautiful in the highlands it has something very special for the user and the families who go there to watch and enjoy the beautiful native greenery. It is very special to the Mittagong and Northern Villages. " 2011-11-19 09:33:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved bazlynda said "Can you please run for Council? That is the most sensible and commonsense response we have had during this debate and I commend you on taking the time to provide it. This project will be a tremendous white elephant if it is allowed to continue." 2011-11-19 08:47:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Edward said "The concept looks lovely as a small town swimming pool for families with young children. What has long been asked for however is a Shire facility to help all levels of swimming from beginners to serious adult training throughout the year. It does not do it. Indeed the plans indicate that swimmers from Hilltop, Wingello and Robertson are advised to go to swimming centres in other Shires, palming off responsibility. Serious swimming training and water polo practice can only be done in 50 metre pools with proper depths. The claimed reason for NOT having a 50 metre pool was a heating cost but far more individual swimmers and groups will pay to use a proper facility regularly in winter if the length and depths of a proper 50 metre pool are available. It must be a proper size pool or it is a pretty playtime pool of advantage only to the immediate towns - at far too great a cost for its function. " 2011-11-17 21:59:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services mark81 said "I agree with the river at Berrima, however in other areas there has been lots of environmental work but it hasn't come out of the levy it has come out of usual council funds. And, on another note, why is $45,000 of the levy being used to submit the application of the extension of the levy instead of some of this other work." 2011-11-17 20:05:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why Binny said "Without an environment levy our shire's natural resources will surely suffer. We have a responsibility to ensure that we do the best we can to manage the shires vegetation, biodiversity, rivers and creeks, native fauna etc. Our future generations are depending on us to do the right thing. I would like to think that our children and childrens children will not only have a beautiful place to live but one that is rich in biodiversity. It is also interesting to know that without this small investment in the future Council's opportunity for other funding through state and federal government and other organisations will be greatly reduced. " 2011-11-17 17:41:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services Binny said "Keep the levy to ensure we leave the shire in a good or better environmental state for our future generations. It would be a real shame to see all the good work done so far be wasted by discontinuing the levy. " 2011-11-17 17:09:59 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bazlynda said "From memory all the 'parks' you mention were taken out of the proposal before it was voted on, and the only bits of land, along with Bowral pool and the old sewage plant, that were kept were 'operational'. Unfortunately this did not stop the campaign of the current councillors against the leisure centre proposal as they were opposed to the sale of community land. The hypocricy of now planning to do exactly the same, just not in Moss Vale, is breathtaking. I still do not understand why Moss Vale is considered the centre of the Highlands. If you look at census data for the area there are more people living north of the W river than south of it, so the natural centre of the Highlands is some where in Bowral. But for some reason we now have the police station and aquatic centre being relocated to Moss Vale. " 2011-11-17 17:02:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "You can get to MV pool by turning left at the roundabout and travelling along Elizabeth Street." 2011-11-17 15:37:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "I am still opposed to the sale of public land - but I don't hear an outcry from Hilltop. I would certainly like to know more details about it. (It is apparently "operational" not "community" land). As a Moss Vale resident, I can assure you that the council land in Moss Vale was most certainly NOT unused - even though Nick C-J was filmed walking around on some of it, the cameraman chose not to show the local user who was there at the time, though the user's dog managed to get into the picture! There was no unused land in Moss Vale in the proposal, just some of it was described as "unnamed reserves" rather than parks. Very cute. There is plenty of room for expansion around the pool at Moss Vale - the precinct is all public land, currently including the football field and a skate park. I'm pretty sure that extra facilities could be slotted in without any trouble." 2011-11-17 15:35:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why lyndal said "I dislike the current situation where the levy comes up for renewal every few years and a lot of time and energy is put into just arguing and consulting about continuing funding for what should be core business. We can't pretend that the environment will somehow be "finished" - there will always be environmental work to be done and there needs to be a permanent way of funding it. I notice that no one thinks that the garbage costs will come to an end soon, and nor will our need for clean water, viable habitat areas for living creatures, control of soil erosion and weed invasions etc. Many of Council's skilled bushcare staff and sustainability officers are funded through the levy, and I rather think that Council would be unwise to let them go...in which case, without the permanent levy, council will be cutting other programs." 2011-11-17 15:22:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Bowral ratepayers assc. said "Herewith is the submission on behalf of the Bowral Ratepayers Association regarding the covering of Moss Vale pool. We do not support this proposal for many reasons but we will list the main ones. Prior to listing our objections, I would like to point out some discrepancies in your proposed engagement process, as opposed to what you point out in your paper describing what you must do by law. The rules put out by the Division of Local Government titled Capital Expenditure Guidelines, says that if Council spends a million dollars, public consultation and engagement processes must be undertaken prior to making any commitment to the project. This requirement flies in the face of Council’s “Decisions already made” which lists 14 decisions including: (a) will be commenced in this Council term (b) what is in it (c) where it is (d) funding model etc. It also says “Council must partner with the public in each aspect of the decision including the development of alternatives and identification of the preferred solution”. Then it says “To place final decision making in the hands of the public”. A committee of four councillors, relevant staff members and four hand picked community members (one of which was not local and doesn’t meet selection guidelines) all sworn to secrecy, does not constitute public consultation. Nor is it meaningful public consultation to go to the public AFTER the main decisions have been made. Our objections: 1. The outcome is much less than the community deserves and while costing ½ of the previous Leisure Centre proposal, delivers about ¼ by comparison. 2. Cost: Borrowing the lot, and that is what the Business Plan reflects, delivers a covered pool for $8M, however, council points out that the real figure when interest is added is $13.8M. This figure is based on Councils business plan. This Association feels that unless Council is prepared to sell unused land (sell an asset and fund an asset) it cannot reasonably spend $13.8M for the outcome it delivers. We also note that in the Business Plan there is no provision for long term “replacement”, the figures only reflect ongoing maintenance. 3. There is no genuine undertaking by Council regarding the future of Council’s other pools. “At this time there are no plans to close any of the other swimming centres”. Sounds like “political speak” especially when it goes on to mention how old the pools are and “upgrade plans will be delayed due to limited available funding” sounds suspiciously like there being no money to keep other pools open, because of the covered pool project. This project doesn’t deliver enough to risk the closure of other pools. 4. The proposed depth of the pool severely limits the uses for it. In a shire which has the biggest junior Water Polo Club in Australia this use has been ignored. I have heard all the words used regarding how we must invest in things for our young people to do, but still no action. This is an opportunity to encourage our young people to interact in a healthy environment. Unfortunately that looks like drowning in a pool of insincere rhetoric. 5. We believe that the number of users for such a facility will be less than suggested in Council’s report. We suggest that an average of 221 persons per day is too many. Situated in Moss Vale, which is not the demographic centre of the shire, means that people from the northern villages will not use it. They would probably make the effort if there were more meaningful components like spas, saunas, sports medicine rooms and meeting rooms which could also be used for martial arts etc. 6. There is no provision for future development of a mixed use stadium. In fact there is no site room for any expansion at all in the future. 7. A rather curious statement in the reasons for not locating at Bowral states that “the increased use of Bowral Swimming Centre will increase traffic impacts on Mittagong Road”. Surely the impacts on Mittagong Road would be less detrimental than the effect on the roads around Moss Vale Pool/Civic Centre. 8. Car parking: There doesn’t seem to be any increase in car parking. Bearing in mind that the Civic Centre has a big shortfall in parking and staff have to use the pool car park, how will this problem be addressed? We imagine the planning department, if it sticks to its rules, will have some concern about this problem? 9. If this project goes ahead that will be the end of a meaningful Leisure Centre in the future. A centre that should include multi-purpose stadiums, crèche and Art Gallery. We don’t believe this project should go ahead for the above reasons. " 2011-11-17 15:21:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services lyndal said "I wonder where mark81 has been looking - perhaps he could state what he thinks environmental work would look like. I see plenty of work being done, some great stuff that is completed. Mark needs to take a walk along the river at Berrima and observe the platypus, then he can check out Mount Gibraltar - for a comparison he can see the tangle of ivy and other weeds along Gladstone Road if he doesn't know the difference." 2011-11-17 15:12:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre bazlynda said "Good facility, set up and run by the community. The problem with it is the location. " 2011-11-17 15:06:25 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex bazlynda said "But at least you had a choice between two. This time around we are not being given a say at all and are relying on the expertise of the same councillors that scuttled the previous project to decide where it should be. At least the previous council had the guts to put it to a vote. " 2011-11-17 15:00:34 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bazlynda said "Interesting, then, that the current proposal involves the sale of public land in Hilltop? Where is the outcry this time around? I am amazed at how little response there has been to the fact that funding the aquatic centre this time around will involve the same things that the leisure centre required (public land sales, use of dry areas such as gyms etc). At the time of the leisure centre debate it was apparently the end of the civilisation if council tried to sell unused council land, especially in Moss Vale, to fund the leisure centre. And the main benefit of the leisure centre, that is being overlooked, is that there was room for expansion for further stages, such as indoor courts, ice rinks etc, as there was room for it. The current proposal for Moss Vale is totally ridiculous for that reason alone. There is no room for expansion and it will only ever be an expensive pool. " 2011-11-17 14:52:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved lyndal said "Why are all the arguments against Moss Vale based on the needs of a few competitive swimmers and once-a-year events like school swimming carnivals?" 2011-11-17 14:48:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved lyndal said "I am presuming that Council will be looking at cutting edge energy technologies to run this pool (like the saleyards!). And also the possibilities for relating the heating needs of the nearby Council Chambers to the heating of the pool." 2011-11-17 14:47:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved lyndal said "Plenty of open space around the locality for further parking. Hasn't anyone noticed the nearby football field?" 2011-11-17 14:42:55 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved lyndal said "Competition is only one aspect of pool use. Far more people will use the facility for fun and relaxation." 2011-11-17 14:41:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "No, "the swimmer" is just one potential user" 2011-11-17 14:36:24 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "As I recall, the so-called leisure centre's first stage was just a big swimming pool, all the indoor courts would have been in the second stage which wasn't even on the drawing board. Meanwhile the proposal to sell off large amounts of public reserved land to pay for it was going to close off people's local options for walking and enjoying the fresh air. Mr. Campbell-Jones still writes that no parkland was going to be sold - but he is incorrect: in Moss Vale we were going to lose a number of parks and reserved open spaces (which are parks)." 2011-11-17 14:35:34 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "But people to the south of Moss Vale have to go there all the time anyway - if you live closer to Campbelltown than Moss Vale you are probably not living in Wingecarribee Shire." 2011-11-17 14:28:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why lyndal said "Plenty of new building going on around Moss Vale and the southern villages. One proposal that is hanging around would see around 1400 new houses in the Moss Vale area (Chelsea Gardens / Coomungie)" 2011-11-17 14:27:15 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre lyndal said "Are people unaware of the Moss Vale Basketball Association facility near Lackey Park in Moss Vale - They have, over the years offered private enterprise run indoor soccer and indoor cricket as well as basketball. We certainly don't need a duplication." 2011-11-17 14:22:04 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex lyndal said "Gee, people have short memories. As I recall the previous investigation was a choice between Mittagong and Eridge Park only. I remember it well because I wrote neither of those - how about Moss Vale" 2011-11-17 14:14:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex lyndal said "Last time we had consultation and ended up with Eridge Park (driving distance only from everywhere) - let's stick with Moss Vale, at least it's easily accessible by bus and train." 2011-11-17 14:13:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre AnnM said "Personally I would use the pool for lap swimming - however I might be tempted to try aqua-aerobics, water basketball etc if they were on offer. Learn to swim classes are essential - for all ages. Seniors classes. Kids party area is a great idea. Also would love to see something for teenagers - waters slides etc - if money permits. Very excited & can't wait. Lets get this started." 2011-11-16 11:26:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved AnnM said "I think this is a great solution and am excited to finally have access to year round swimming. Yes a 50m indoor pool would be ideal, but realistically I don't believe we have the population (or funds) for this to be a viable proposition. Mittagong and Bowral pools will still be extensively used in the summer months. I am someone who has lived all over the shire and do not see that Moss Vale as a location will stop people from using the facility. If you build it - they will come!! " 2011-11-16 11:02:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Jack said "I think this is a good solution. It would be great if we could have a larger pool such as the one in the international aquatic centre in Canberra but we are a smaller community and the inclusion of a 25m pool is one that we can both afford. We also need to consider the cost of heating during winter and a smaller pool is more sustainable. I think having it at Moss Vale is an excellent idea as it leaves the 50m pool at Bowral for summer swimming so we have it both ways. I hope we can all get behind this initiative and support it so that at last the area has a much need facility." 2011-11-16 09:04:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/how-has-the-environment-levy-contributed-to-your-enjoyment-of-the-southern-highlands keep the levy said "Levy works have improved a lot of our parkland areas across the shire. I have noticed the park in Moss Vale along Whites Creek come along way with all the work the bushcare volunteers have contributed over the years, that area is a wildlife haven and has really improved the look of the area. Along the river at Bong Bong and also at Berrima has also been transformed from a weed infested mess to a wonderful bushland which only improves the values of these areas for everyone to benefit." 2011-11-15 17:34:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why keep the levy said "Yes; Such a small additional contribution can help our community maintain and improve the environmental attributes of the shire that we all love and share. What makes this area so appealing is the landscapes, if we want to fight for the environment of the shire under the current development and mining pressures then surely we must agree to supporting a levy that will help protect it. " 2011-11-15 17:30:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services keep the levy said "Of course the current level of council services should be maintained. Environmental services and programs should be retained, if they can't be assured via the recurrent core business responsibilities of council then the levy should be retained; otherwise everything invested to date wouldn't be secured over the long term." 2011-11-15 17:20:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/in-october-last-year-we-asked-the-community-to-tell-us-their-priorities-for-the-natural-environment-what-is-important-to-you keep the levy said "Living in the Wingecarribee is all about enjoying the beauty of our natural environment. Our Shire is abound with wonderful waterways, bushland reserves and parks. Our landscapes are fundamental to the overall quantity and quality of water resources for the entire Sydney basin. I am happy to pay my share and support our community to be a leader in conserving the natural values of our landscapes." 2011-11-15 17:16:25 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/in-october-last-year-we-asked-the-community-to-tell-us-their-priorities-for-the-natural-environment-what-is-important-to-you Denis Wilson said "Streams and waterways are most important. Protect them by banning coal mining and CSG drilling in the Wingecarribee Shire. " 2011-11-15 14:22:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/how-has-the-environment-levy-contributed-to-your-enjoyment-of-the-southern-highlands cliffrob said "The levy does give some degree of hope that basic measures will be supported into the future. I have some scepticism about the effectiveness of 'education' but like motherhood it is a good idea. I am hopeful rather than optimistic. I have noted some very minor improvements in some areas and I should volunteer, but don't at this stage." 2011-11-15 13:33:56 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why cliffrob said "I agree that Councils are large and inefficient, but that is how we operate. The levy will help the practical measures that often are missed in high level politicking and planning; issues that we face daily and affect our view of the region." 2011-11-15 13:28:13 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services cliffrob said "Clearly it is not enough but a political decision has to be made. At least the current level should be maintained. WSC however ensure that because there is a sum available from the levy, the 'environment' should not be left off the list from other sources of funds. The levy should be on top of already established requirements for environmental matters." 2011-11-15 13:23:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/in-october-last-year-we-asked-the-community-to-tell-us-their-priorities-for-the-natural-environment-what-is-important-to-you cliffrob said "!. Creeks and streams in the catchment are particularly important. 2. Natural bushland can be re-created for native fauna - too much emphasis has been placed on spending resources to create a landscape of exotic plants and trees. All very well but not good for the birds and the bees. 3. The levy is important because it is allocated specifically to environmental issues and may not be lost amongst a host of other priorities. " 2011-11-15 13:17:59 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Exbow said "All weather is number 1. also a good 25m pool and a cafe. If you have to ditch something it should be a gym, as there are others in the district." 2011-11-15 10:33:14 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-support-an-application-for-a-permanent-environment-levy-why mark81 said "No we should not be looking at another environment levy. Council seem to cry poor, however if they actually spent the money wisely there will be enough money to go around. Any environment levy work we need to remember adds upkeep money to council budget where all work needs to be upkept every few months/year. This council like to charge us for everything. We don't need an environment levy, and be charged for a new greenwaste service, and on top of that, be charged among the HIGHEST rates around for garbage and recycling." 2011-11-15 09:13:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services mark81 said "Instead of an environmental levy, how about we get a small road levy for 2 or 3 years to actually get proper work done on our failing roads in the shire. We should not be paying a environmental levy when we have not really seen the work that has been done with our current levy." 2011-11-15 09:08:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-maintaining-the-current-level-of-environmental-services wayside said "use some of the large rate money we pay dont add to the burden of finding the unfair amounts of rates already demanded. " 2011-11-15 07:50:08 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre Patty said "The centre really needs to consider disabled access into the pools. Currently there is no pool accessible in the Highlands for groups, that have the correct modifications. Support services have to travel to Wollongong or Campbelltown to be able to access a suitable pool. Access needs to include: a ramp with rails into the pool, a water wheelchair and a chair hoist. On another note, lap swimming needs to have dedicated lanes. Kiama Council Leisure Centre is a good example of wet and dry options, and membership plans and activities." 2011-11-11 10:40:15 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why KathC said "I will be frustrated if I have to train in a 25m pool!! It is not long enough to develop stroke or times for competition. Please consider developing (covering & heating) the 50m pool in Bowral. A much better option for the swimmer - after all that's who you're aiming at right??" 2011-11-11 06:55:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved KathC said "As an avid swimmer I would also like to implore council to consider the development of Bowral pool instead of going for the inferior and less adequte Moss Vale option. Money would surely be better spent on cpvering and providing heating for the beautiful Bowral pool which would then be available for use year round instead of a waste of space for 3/4 of the year!! Lap swimming/training in a 25m pool is completely frustrating!! Why would you put your competetive swimmers at a disadvantage by not giving them the option of an appropriate training space all year round - especially if you're planning for the future and population growth. If developed appropriately, Bowral pool, could become the centre for local and regional swimming competitions all year round - how wonderful for the community. Please rethink your plans and use our money wisely." 2011-11-11 06:52:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Jen said "I agree that it would be good to have the pool at Moss Vale. It is close to town and trains etc. It will be good for Moss Vale in general to have an attraction. Bowral has bucketloads of people, while half the shops in the main street in Moss Vale are empty. Will there be an issue with parking since there is limited space? I believe that it is better to build a smaller pool on a afforable budget than trying to replicate other massive leisure centers. Otherwise it would be at the expense of upgrading other swimming facilities/bike paths/parks ect. " 2011-11-09 16:29:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre just want to swim said "Learn to swim, daytime and evening aqua classes kids holiday programs senior/disablity programs and accessibly lap swimming " 2011-11-08 20:46:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why just want to swim said "Anything is better than nothing. Some place and time for lap swimming, room for the little children to play safely, good change room facilities thinking about families. " 2011-11-08 20:41:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved just want to swim said "I think it looks great! I just think we should stop going back and forth about the where and how and get on with building an indoor pool in the highlands. People who want to swim year round, take children to swim lesson, or just to splash will drive 5, 10 or 30 mins to do so, as many already do to Picton and Kiama to indoor pools. There is no way of meeting everybody's perceived needs, there will always be an issue. I think this plan looks like it achieveable and will provide the Highlands with a great swimming space for years to come." 2011-11-08 20:29:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bazlynda said "I think it does matter where it is built. Moss Vale is NOT the centre of the Highlands, despite everyone trying to make it so. Most of the growth in the Highlands is North, such as Renwick and Colo Vale. To get to Moss Vale pool requires a slow trip along Moss Vale Road and down Argyle St, which is becoming more and more like a city street and not capable of handling the traffic flow it currently has. I can't help feeling that there is an ulterior motive here, because we all know how viciously Clr Whipper opposed the Leisure Centre idea, and as a result I can't help feel that this is his way of ensuring the chances of an indoor pool are scuttled forever!" 2011-11-05 22:27:56 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bazlynda said "That sounds like a leisure centre, which amazingly is what a large part of the community campaigned for 4 years ago, only to have it defeated by Clr Whipper and his supporters. Surely the community should be asked where they want the aquatic centre? Surely that is where the starting point is?" 2011-11-05 22:23:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Eagle said "Moss Vale is a great location, considering that half the shire is south of Moss Vale, and those closer to the north end could (and do) easily go to Picton in winter. It is also much closer to transport than the Bowral pool, and considering the current and proposed growth of the southern villages, as far south as possible is sensible. A 50m pool would be better than a 25m. It is noticeable in competitions in the Highlands and beyond which competitors regularly swim in Bowral and Mittagong compared to those who train at Moss Vale and Bundanoon. Overall, an indoor pool is sorely needed in the shire. I think it will be well supported." 2011-11-04 18:02:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved ccb said "I like the concept plan. It is concrete and "do-able". High school can walk there easily. Location vs Bowral not important to me. How far do people drive to shop at a supermarket without questioning? Smaller and compact is good. No chance for deeper or adjustable floor to allow Water Polo and increase use? An earlier consultant indicated that a significant money earner is a good cafe/kiosk. Hurrah. Wingecaribee starts to enter 21st century. My kids learnt to swim in one winter in Canada using local town indoor pools where we went when it snowed and were joined by many other townsfolk. Congratulations to all involved. Finally." 2011-11-02 15:08:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex Bob and Jeanne said "Has the State Government been approached for a Grant? Grants for new grandstands at WIN Stadium and Newcastle (both >$20M) got the nod without to much trouble under Labour. Pru Goward should be approached. If so, Eridge Park could be dusted off, and built as a central centre that would cater for all demographic groups of the Southern Highlands. BUT for heaven's sake don't stop the planning for the Moss Vale project in anticipation. FIGHT for a grant in parallel, as it is noted that the Moss vale Pool will not start until mid 2012; we have time! " 2011-11-01 12:13:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Project Coordinator said "The poll on the proposed Leisure Centre and its funding strategy was undertaken in conjunction with the Council elections in September 2008. The poll asked two questions: 1. Do you approve of Council building the Leisure Centre? 2. Do you approve of the construction of the Leisure Centre being funded by the sale of the identified properties? The outcomes of the poll were as follows (based on total formal votes): Question 1: Yes - 43.51% No – 56.49% Question 2: Yes – 25.06% No – 74.94% An issue revolves around the wording of the questions. The majority of residents voted against THE Leisure Centre. So this included people that didn’t want the Leisure Centre, people that didn’t want the Leisure Centre at Eridge Park and people that didn’t like the funding model for the proposal. The current Council believes that there still is a desire in the community for the provision of an indoor aquatic facility in the Shire which is supported by: * WINGECARRIBEE SHIRE COMMUNITY STRATEGIC PLAN (W2031+) which includes the following goal "Wingecarribee community has access to a variety of cultural, recreational and sporting opportunities" * 2011-2013 DELIVERY PROGRAM & 2011/2012 OPERATIONAL PLAN which identified "Progress the indoor aquatic centre project in line with community engagement outcomes" * 2004 Open Space, Recreation, Cultural and Community Facilities Needs – Study, Strategy and Action Plan (www.wsc.nsw.gov.au/council/policies-plans-codes/shirewide-need-study-october-2004) which identified "major facilities which are wanted in the Shire include: a leisure centre; community art work spaces; extensions to and new shared pathways; public art; activities for young people, internet and computer-based cultural activities" You are welcome to make further enquiries with any councillors. Their contact details are found here: www.wsc.nsw.gov.au/council/councillors" 2011-10-27 15:54:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Ray Payer said "Just wish an indoor heated pool would hurry up and happen. It doesn't matter if it's Moss Vale, Bowral or Mittagong as long as it is large enough and deep enough to cater for all uses. " 2011-10-27 15:49:20 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex Calarie said "There is no doubt that a suitable indoor pool for everyone (young and old) is overdue on the Southern Highlands. Why - because of the weather and colder climate. Similarly, we need an indoor sports complex / building for the kids (and older kids) that offers a mulitsports option - indoor cricket, indoor netball and indoor soccer for example. Our kids have lost many weekend sports rounds to the rain and weather, not to mention training opportunities. We all know the frustration of not being able to rely on sport taking place on the weekend due to ground closures. Could we not compliment this challenge and outsdoor sports with having an indoor sports option? Why should the girls and mums have to freeze playing netball in Bowral? Can we offer kids and their parents a more socially pleasing option of playing some sport indoors, out of the cold and without being cancelled on evenings, weekends and school holidays? It would also allow for professonal coaches and events to come to us - people can plan with certainty and it would have suitable appeal accros the community, schools and clubs." 2011-10-25 17:06:57 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Calarie said "Moss Vale is a better option than Bowral as that is where the population growth is going to happen - an investment in the future. I feel the gym is a poor inclusion and cannot see how that it is going to make money or even cover costs given the availablity of more local options available to people - they will not drive long distances for a gym. They will for an indoor pool. I'd rather see an indoor sports building run by privately (on council land) offering indoor netball (for the girls and mums), indoor cricket and soccer. The facility could also be used by local schools and clubs to run trainings and competitions that would not be affected by weather or cancellations." 2011-10-25 16:58:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre Calarie said "I would support learning to swim activities for young children, water therapy classes for the aged and general swimming all year round. I don't see how the Gym is going to attract enough long term clients to be profitable and see this as a flaw in the funding / business plan. I'd much rather see an indoor multipupose sports facility built on council land but operated by private enterprise offering indoor soccer, indoor netball (for the girls and mums) and indoor cricket." 2011-10-25 16:46:20 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Calarie said "Indoor facilities on the SH are well overdue. Well done for getting the project going. The indoor pool will be great for the kids to learn how to swim as the public pools are only open for a few months over the summer period. Whether the facility is located in Moss Vale, Bowral or Mittagong is not really the point as we don't have one big town, we have several smaller ones with a dispersed population. Bowral appears not to be the future in terms of population growth and we are investing in the future - I don't have a problem with it at Moss Vale as the population will be growing further there than in Bowral. I do not see how the Gymnasium is going to earn around $600k per year given the lifestyle and culture of the Highlands. I very much doubt that people will travel to attend the gym - there are better options around the place with decentralised health clubs, spas and personal trainers. Speaking to other parents (and I mean a lot), it seems a better alternative would be to invest in an all round indoor sports facility that could offer indoor soccer, indoor cricket, indoor netball and soft play for kids given our climate challenges here. So many outdoor sporting events are affected by weather and cancellations - could we not look at a multipurpose indoor sports buidling and encourage team participation, involve young and older people while offering more fexibility and profitablity than a gym." 2011-10-25 16:22:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Brian said "1. The Wingecarribee has many towns but only a relatively small number of ratepayers. Three major towns and many minor ones compete for attention. The road network is extensive and costly as are all the other services provided by Council. Mostly the Council appears to do a relatively good job of providing the most essential of these services. 2. I have seen busy leisure centres encompassing swimming pools both in the UK and in Sydney. All seemed to be well used, however I have always been suspicious of the potential for the spread of germs in the fertile atmosphere of heated pools. 3.In the UK the price of entry seemed high reflecting a "user-pays" approach, rather than an "everybody else pays" attitude, for the leisure of a selected few. 4. It appears to me that needing indoor swimming facilities these days reflects a wimpish, mamby-pamby society, with swimmers not embracing the joys, challenges and refreshment of diving into a cold water pool or river. Perhaps all the sickly, fat and churlish youth we see about the place could do with a bit of exposure to the natural environment for some toughening up and slimming down. However I expect that this is a faint hope so we must rely on a heated environment for enticement to "take the waters", whether for amusement, perving or training. 5. All those who have commented before me have made mostly good points and in the way of things not everybody can be satisfied when the constraints of a limited budget are to be considered. 6. Let us then hope that those elected to serve on Council and more particularly those considering the implementation of this great undertaking (in Wingecarribee terms) will see their plans come to fruition having taken into (some) consideration the views of those who have made the time to comment. 7. Best wishes to all, Brian" 2011-10-25 15:04:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved swimmer said "The proposed change room facilities are not adequate as they do not provide family change rooms. The rooms in the design appear to be similar to those at Picton. A problem has arisen at Picton where school-aged children of the opposite sex are not supposed to use the change room. It is unreasonable to expect 5 year old boys or girls to go into change room by themselves if they are with a parent of the opposite sex. This leaves only the disabled/family change room. This is one small room that does not cope with the demand during learn to swim times. It also means that disabled patrons need to wait for whole families to shower and dress before they can use the designated facility. I would like to see designated family change rooms incorporated into the design." 2011-10-25 12:56:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why David Tranter said "Reduce costs with solar heating built into the roof structure and adjacent grounds. Cater for lap swimming, if necessary at scheduled times. Although I live as far from Moss Vale as Bowral and Mittagong I favour Moss Vale. " 2011-10-25 11:59:55 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why David Tranter said "Why not 50m? How much would thadd to the cost?" 2011-10-25 11:44:37 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre taylorhelme said "Facilities in pools I have used in the past have relied upon good quality options and well advertised. Dedicated hours for all optioned groups must be included. Lap swimming before AND after work, even late evening when leisure traffic has reduced. Kids swimming lessons. Race squad sessions. Water polo sessions. Aquarobic sessions. A lot to fit into one day and a prolonged open timetable would be needed. The ability to combine swimming with other exercise activities would be an advantage, but in the draft plan space for expansion does seem limited. Other indoor swim facilities look at 'play' sessions, use of water slides etc as a way of opening useage options. Could these be incorporated and built up the hill adjacent to the site? Finally, access to the facility, dedicated bike lanes, larger walking paths, bus parking would improve useage." 2011-10-24 20:36:01 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Chalky Jones said "I grew up in the SH from 1971 - 1988 with no winter swimming facilities (though I swam in the summer at 6am in an unheated pool), then leaving for warmer climes and enjoying 20 years of all year round swimming (Sydney and London) - I now find myself happily back in the SH with a young family. I find it astounding though that there are still no indoor swimming facilities, despite our climate. I currently trek to Picton every Saturday, so my two boys can learn to swim from accredited coaches. They run an excellent facility during winter and summer which is heavily subscribed. (Honestly go any time on Saturday and the place is packed) But 30 minutes driving down the freeway each way? Crazy! Build the centre - 25m lap, training and kids pool - put it in Moss Vale which must be the centre of the district in terms of population and let us get on with teaching kids to swim, encouraging swimmers of all ages to swim all year round and join the 21st Century. Oh and and don't forget the ocean swimming season is upon us - another great reason for SH residents to invest in this deserved facility." 2011-10-24 20:31:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex taylorhelme said "Exercise / health facilities to expand need some degree of space. Has the Moss Vale site got that space? What about the integration of Sauna / steam rooms. Remedial massage zone? Clearly linking it to better public access by bicycle would add further 'green' credentials, but the present cycleway ends at Suttor Road. Bike parking and a designated extended cycleway for safer kids use would make it more attractive. " 2011-10-24 20:27:55 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why taylorhelme said "The experience of multiuse all year facilities in the past has been if you build them, they are likely to be more popular than predicted. Consequently, its important to forward predict for extended use. Lap swimming is important, but an extended time allocation is needed. The outdoor heated pool in East Malvern Melbourne operates from 5am in Summer till late in the evening. It is always busy. A gym, or exercise area / dance area / pilates area is needed, as is a place for kids parties. Allocated time for kids parties within the pool setting (large inflatable pool devices to play on) would be a revenue earner. Clearly a party area and some sort of catering facility. Even 'mad' sessions for kids to do rope swings into the pool can be popular with older kids. Perhaps a less structured pool design with more 'play' aspects / ?slide an option. Obviously, aged facilities / residents would benefit from a hydrotherapy aspect to facilitate mobility / strength improvement. " 2011-10-24 20:23:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved JMich said "I would like to know more details of any energy efficiency plans for heating and cooling the building as well as the water. Have increasing energy costs been factored into the future running costs of this facility?" 2011-10-24 18:48:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Mandy said " I think this pool is a great idea, not only because it provides a place to exercise in the winter but also to teach children to swim year round. It is fabulous for oldies who benefit from low impact exercise such as aqua aerobics and the hydrotherapy aspect if a heated pool. I really feel that the view that people will not attend a pool in Moss Vale is short sighted in itself and I detect a slight hint of pretension? Anyhow, you must remember that the pool may be used by families from Bundanoon, Exeter, Sutton Forest as well as Bowral, Berrima, and Mittagong, possibly even Robertson etc; With this in mind I am thinking that Moss Vale may be quite a good central location for all of these communities. " 2011-10-23 20:54:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Cheryl said "Time Moss Vale got something everything goes too Bowral. I think the gym should be dropped as there is one privately owned and operated in this town.How about a sauna or spa. Go council don't just talk about it do it." 2011-10-23 19:11:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why M.Williams said "We have been waiting too long for a heated pool, it's rediculous that there hasn't been one built in our cold shire! No selfishness should be tolerated by those who say no, all forms of sport/exercise should be equally catered for in our shire. And as for that " biased" referendum! " 2011-10-21 20:50:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why M.Williams said "There are new developments in the north but as the shire extends beyond Bundanoon in the south, Moss Vale does need a facility like this. ( Picton facilities are available until Mittagong is eventually updated)" 2011-10-21 20:44:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Guy said "I really like the idea of an indoor heated pool and gym facility. I used to live in Katoomba in the Blue Mtns and they have a great facility there that is used for so many purposes and by so many people." 2011-10-21 14:54:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Although we dont use sporting facilities, think they are very important for the youth of the area. some of the ideas suggested reallty are concils responsibilites anyway." 2011-10-20 11:51:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Some signage at the entry points of East Bowral would help vistors to the area and perhaps a little extra landscaping would make the entry points more welcoming" 2011-10-20 11:38:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "As a relatively new resident here, I have noticed East Bowral is often referred to in a rather derogatoy fashion a "East Beirut" - South Campbelltown...Perhaps a name change might be the answer - maybe one of the original settlers/property/aboriginal names..." 2011-10-20 11:36:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "No - It should be the responsibility of the Scottish Arms to provide enough parking for its patrons. Why is a Hotel Situated on council property..... in the first place....Does the Council own the Pub? The nearby residents are all suffering great inconvenience by having the building in a imapproiate spot. There would be enough parking for the community centre if the Pub was not plonked where it is" 2011-10-20 11:32:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 11:29:37 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Again - Seating as not all East Boeral are young and healthy - many over 70yrs who do like a walk and have a sit on green power box is for a rest" 2011-10-20 11:29:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Yes please spend some money from section 94 funds on seating and footpaths - but no where to stop and sit." 2011-10-20 11:26:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Yes - but no Gum Trees as they drop limbs" 2011-10-20 11:24:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Clean quite - No dog poo on the streets - No rubbish - so close to hospital and town" 2011-10-20 11:23:57 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "We like the semi rural atmosphere gardens and tree lined streets...and the avaliable bus service when needed." 2011-10-20 11:20:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-20 11:19:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "From the iner section - Old South Rd and Boardman Rd there is no street lighting, needs urgent attention - Cleaning the gutters more often" 2011-10-20 11:18:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "From Old South Rd, past playing fields to Rowland Rd - along Boardman Rd - needs street lighting" 2011-10-20 11:17:04 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said " Some good ideas" 2011-10-20 11:11:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "to slow the through traffic down - travel way to fast" 2011-10-20 11:10:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Parks Gardens seeing the children growing up and using the fields for sport and fun . East Bowral is a nice place to live" 2011-10-20 11:09:09 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "No Something to stop cars coming over the crest of the hill on Boardman Rd Going to fast, they take no notice of the sign. Suppy green bins - not everyone can get to the tip A crossing at the park for the kids to use" 2011-10-20 11:07:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 11:05:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Tree & Shrub planting along waterways leading to the Botanical Gardens area." 2011-10-20 11:04:53 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "A garden suburb, people take a pride in their area Great Services - eg Community Centre & Scottish Arms & Sporting Complex" 2011-10-20 11:04:09 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-20 11:03:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Think they are very good" 2011-10-20 11:02:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "the Bus Service" 2011-10-20 11:02:08 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "May I suggest the placing of some means to slow the traffic proceeding down the slope of the hill going down to the Scottish Arms..... Exiting my driveway is increasingly difficult" 2011-10-20 11:01:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Good idea - Id like to see more suitable trees planted in Boardman Rd too - especially the northen end of Boardman Rd Footpath is being lifted by roots at present." 2011-10-20 11:00:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 10:58:48 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "I often walk along the lakes in Boardman Park. They would benefit froma bench or two to sit on while watching the bird life and signs to tell you the birds to look for at different times of year.... The cycle ways and footpaths are very good but could be extended in places to join up with other paths" 2011-10-20 10:58:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Fenced area - near playing fields - for lesh free dog run" 2011-10-20 10:56:25 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "I would like to suggest a sun cover for the play area at the East Bowral Football Field. There are no tress to provide shade in the playground and shade is really needed" 2011-10-20 10:55:14 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 10:53:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Yes I feel the power lines on the easement through East Bowral would be better placed underground. the cleaning out of the drain on the easment from lilac to the ponds." 2011-10-20 10:52:45 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "I think some projects are listed just to save council money and use our section 94 money" 2011-10-20 10:51:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "I think all the money should be spent in provided more and improved facilities for youth at David Wood playing flelds and adjoining areas. Certainly some like circuit and dirt tracks and jumps on the very suitable east end of that location. This would be created very easily with a bobcat Parking on the verge" 2011-10-20 10:50:35 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Hammock Hill and sporting areas" 2011-10-20 10:48:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Small commerical development with eg Nursery, coffee shop, small general store, etc" 2011-10-20 10:47:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes - provide parking" 2011-10-20 10:46:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "bus services very good for elderly people - community centre and love the Scottish Arms" 2011-10-20 10:46:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 10:45:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-20 10:44:50 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Very good" 2011-10-20 10:44:11 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Delighted of the news that we are going to get a Botanical Garden. This part of East Bowral needs to be beautified. " 2011-10-20 10:43:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "yes" 2011-10-20 10:39:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Could be improved - most of projects listed should be covered by council maintenance and normal improvements" 2011-10-20 10:39:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "More significant funds should be allocated for the proposed Botanic Gardens re provide appropriate facilities" 2011-10-20 10:37:59 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes - council was aware of parking problems near Scottish Arsm - Perhaps they should contribute" 2011-10-20 10:36:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes - The parking is great problem in this location and should be looked at using some of the drain area for parking" 2011-10-20 10:35:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "item 8 pathway on entry cant be increased to link up with new proposed walkway and some sort island on the side" 2011-10-20 10:34:20 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "1 Improving Hammok Hill Walk way - a cement pathway would b nice 2 Boardman Rd from old south rd lined with trees" 2011-10-20 10:20:07 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "10/10 for idea put forward - lets hope you put the right type of tree on the footpath this time" 2011-10-20 10:18:08 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Great place to live" 2011-10-20 10:17:06 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "more trees planted opposite roundabout - old south rd " 2011-10-20 10:16:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Shade for playing fields south/east end - summer sport very hot" 2011-10-20 10:15:36 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Good ideas/ Meeting was good idea" 2011-10-20 10:14:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "peace and quiet - rural outlook - traffic" 2011-10-20 10:00:59 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "More trees planted opposite roundabout - old south rd slowing of traffic along playing feilds/ used as a raceway Duck signs northern end Boardman Rd" 2011-10-20 10:00:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-20 09:59:07 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Semi rural atmosphere and nice open spaces - quiet family environment - easy acces to Bowral and Moss Vale & Mttagong" 2011-10-20 09:58:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Projects ar generally desirable and most had a good response at the meeting, subject to value for money priorities." 2011-10-20 09:57:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Some advenced shade trees at the playing fields - boths western and eastern ends...for childrens summer sports " 2011-10-20 09:55:08 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Pedestrian crossing needed adjacent to Playing Fields some duck warning signs on Boardman Rd north end - A convenience store...../Petrol Station/ Newsagency need down on Kangaloon Road." 2011-10-20 09:53:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "no" 2011-10-20 09:38:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 09:38:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Suggest construction of pederstrian footpath between shared cycleway emily circuit roundabout and linden way footpath. Distance approxmately 50mts. unable to use present footway in wet weather. considerable amount of foot traffic during school days." 2011-10-20 09:37:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Developers funds should not be spent on remediation and repairs of waterways and drainage systems installed and designed by Council. These are Council responsibilities and funded by existing levies. This includes roundabouts, garden and pavement repairs." 2011-10-20 09:33:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Priority shoulb be given to streetscape plantings and footpath completion. Project 2 is of untmost importance to beautify the main through fare to the town from East, and the entrance to the Botanic Gardens. This area should have been planted when the area was developed as it was further east to Hordens Road." 2011-10-20 09:31:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "The opening of a General Store/Corner Shop would be an asset - one was always proposed it was it was disappointing the Scottish Arms shop closed" 2011-10-20 09:29:06 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "yes" 2011-10-20 09:27:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "yes - would it not be appropirate for owner of Premises - Scottish Arms to contribute to cost" 2011-10-20 09:26:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Install traffic calmers in Boardman Rd - between Emily Circuit and rowland Ro to allow resident safe entry and exit to premises of either side of rise in road" 2011-10-20 08:54:07 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Installation of Pedrestain Crossing and Traffic calmers in vacinity of sporting fields for safety of users of facilities" 2011-10-20 08:52:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "I cant see why Section 94 funds should be spent on Botanic Gardens" 2011-10-20 08:51:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "East Bowral is coming together and a very nice area" 2011-10-20 08:47:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "yes - " 2011-10-20 08:45:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Small shops and Community area for residents - near Scottish Arms Shops to be run by volunteers - profits to go to local charities" 2011-10-20 08:45:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "More native plants especially in roundabouts....Area in end of Emily Circuit to be improved Pond an eyesore and new water pit on grass verge very ugly - needs new plants to improve" 2011-10-20 08:42:35 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "lot of Community involvement in these proposals is an excellent idea. Why has the Botanic Gardens taken so long? Lived near Camelia Gardens in Carrinbah Sydney, they didnt take 30yrs and are absolutely beautiful " 2011-10-20 08:40:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Lovely open plan - below ground electricity & good lighting Friendly people - quiet but/ motorists are not observing the speed signs / especially in Emily Circuit" 2011-10-20 08:37:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Lots of walking paths" 2011-10-20 08:34:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-20 08:34:15 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Better street lighting - especially towards the end of merrigang st - old south end This would make for safer driving for East Bowral residents driving home from town" 2011-10-20 08:32:56 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-20 08:29:01 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Yes - Although some items should be paid out of our rate revenue as they are maintenance items" 2011-10-20 08:28:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex bazlynda said "Absolutely agree! If we are going to spend $8 million dollars then someone needs to have the guts to make the tough decisions and close some existing pools that are open only a handful of days a year and cost a fortune to keep open. How can you put forward a proposal and ask for community consultationfor a project when you have already decided on the key points? Why don't you let us have a say as to where the pool will be and what size we want it, rather than cobble together this piece-meal project just to be able to say that you have?" 2011-10-20 00:56:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Frog said "Unfortunately there are no aspects about this proposal that will ensure my regular use of the pool. I think WSC need to look beyond the immediacy of putting 'something' into action for the sake of being seen as 'performers'. This proposal does not tick enough boxes to convince me that the current proposal is a winner!. I have seen some fine examples of well attended, well maintained, comprehensive facilities in Victoria. It would be nice to see council reconsider a 'holistic' approach to a community centre." 2011-10-19 23:14:04 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre DebC said " The 'white elephant' comment is correct, and will apply wherever it is located. " 2011-10-19 22:12:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why DebC said "I am wondering how and why this proposal a) surfaced again, and b) has proceeded to an apparently 'fait accompli' stage without publicity. What happened to the result of the referendum where the Shire voted 'NO' to an indoor swimming complex? We are in serious need of improvements to, and provision of many very basic community facilities, together with infrastructure upgrades in all areas. This is a massive overspend on a luxury we cannot afford, and a facility which the majority of shire residents have already told Council they do not want (at the ballot box!). There is simply no 'one size fits all' location for such a facility, and I believe it will almost certainly result in the closure of the other existing pools, which the nearby residents at least find convenient. I would like a reply from the apropriate Councillor to my questions. " 2011-10-19 21:56:55 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why mark81 said "if there is only a 25m pool there should be no lap swimming allowed. If you close off half the pool for lap swimmers then you leave nothing for regular non lap swimmers. I seriously think Bowral pool would be a better option as it includes a 50m pool. A gym would be good for MossVale though." 2011-10-19 18:54:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved mark81 said "How could Council say Moss Vale is a central location for most of the shire. I hate to advise Council that Colovale, Hilltop and Mittagong are also located in the Shire. Bowral is a better location, yes it will cost more, but it will also give us a 50m covered pool! Also, what happened to council listening to the community, when we voted no to a leisure centre at the last election." 2011-10-19 18:49:19 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "You have some excellent cost effective ideas - here - Go FOR THEM !!!" 2011-10-19 16:24:55 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "The area" 2011-10-19 16:23:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 16:22:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Try and stop vandalism" 2011-10-19 16:21:43 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "How about a coner store - be built to provide coffee/ newspapers/ and bread - not a take away " 2011-10-19 16:21:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Swings - for younger children - desperatley needed in David Woods playground, As is sun shades Completly all concrete paths as in item 17 is obvisouly smart" 2011-10-19 16:19:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "We should focus on what benefits the residents and their children rather than visitors." 2011-10-19 16:17:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Wide footpaths and cycleways - open spaces - traffic is reasonably responsible - tree lined streets" 2011-10-19 16:16:36 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "the bike tracks, underground power, quiet cul - de -sacs" 2011-10-19 16:14:37 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 16:13:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-19 16:13:11 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "We like them" 2011-10-19 16:12:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-19 16:12:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "To remove litter outside of fence of David Wood Playing fields and the placement of litter bins around area........" 2011-10-19 16:12:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "no new ideas - we would be happy to see the proposals we rated carried out" 2011-10-19 16:10:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "We are happy with the current proposals provided they are carried out as inicated" 2011-10-19 16:10:13 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "The semi rural atmosphere provided it is well maintained with cutting of grass in all public areas and removal of dead trees and rubbish/" 2011-10-19 16:09:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 16:08:13 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Shade Sails cloth over childrens play areas..... Shop upgrading and playing fields" 2011-10-19 16:07:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Walking/ Cycling paths - No power poles" 2011-10-19 16:06:53 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Community Centre Playground for juniors Playing fields" 2011-10-19 16:05:11 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes- having cars park close to pathway seems wrong... Perhaps pathway could be relocated away from the road in the considered area." 2011-10-19 16:04:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Bowral is surrounded by thousands of hectare of native forest - however the residential areas are known to appeal far and wide because of its exotic trees and flowers....Continue this theme where possible throughout EB starting with the Garden Beds - Also repair footpath trip points/...." 2011-10-19 16:03:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Expand the sporting options within the David Woods Playing Fields are eg Netball courts but $150,000 for a basketball court?? expensive slab of concrete" 2011-10-19 15:59:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "We are over 70yr of age, but we are mindfull of the members of our family who also live in EB so some of the proposals appeal to us - while others would appreal to out family - down to 6yrs age some costings appear excessive" 2011-10-19 15:58:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 15:55:46 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "The Scottish Arms does not enhance the district" 2011-10-19 15:55:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "East Bowral is not overcrowded - Large blocks and open areas - also cycle paths for those able to use them" 2011-10-19 15:54:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Where trees are planted I think they should be natives." 2011-10-19 15:53:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 15:52:53 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "1 improvements to Hammock Hill - Mansfield Park 2 Encouragement - eg by special rates for private / educational/ sporting and or shipping precints" 2011-10-19 15:52:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Section 94 expenditure the proposals should be permanent - as most are and not maintenance - but I understand economic necessity - Project 8 should be Concrete on east side of easement." 2011-10-19 15:50:54 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Basic Services are adequate - water sewer stormwater roads waste disposal open spaces and large parcels of land apart from the residents, not much else to reccommend it." 2011-10-19 15:48:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "yes" 2011-10-19 15:47:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "A small shopping area in: eg convenience store for milk, bread, papers, postings etc.....ample off street parking for sporting area and community centre, coffe shop - NO Takeaways" 2011-10-19 15:47:02 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Issue of green bins to allow for the removal of green waste/ can be collected opposite week to yellow bin. Annual Council rubbish clean up selected items only" 2011-10-19 15:45:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "All projects are full of merit, However budget limit curtails what can be spent and completed" 2011-10-19 15:43:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Semi Rural lifestyle/ trees/ birdlife/ sporting fields and wildlife" 2011-10-19 15:42:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Altractive outlook - close to town" 2011-10-19 15:41:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 15:41:20 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No the proposals seem to address important issues." 2011-10-19 15:40:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "The improvement of the drainage and planting more trees are the most important items, what is proposed seems reasonable" 2011-10-19 15:40:15 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 15:37:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Garden/Vegetation Bin - monthly/quarterly for people who would like them payment with usual garbage services - Bush Fire Season is very near and many cannot get to the tip or afford to pay for large takeaway when its only pruning etc....small/medium refuge." 2011-10-19 15:37:27 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Friendliness, Bus Services, Space, Birds, No huslle & bustle - Fresh air - short drive/ride to many places " 2011-10-19 15:35:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Any monies over could be used on ones mentioned - No 4 Drainage/Waterway from Kiameron Pl to Botanic Gardens No 11 Lighting - Northern playing fields - Rec & Slab No 15 Pathway Link" 2011-10-19 15:29:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Sounds great to us" 2011-10-19 15:22:22 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Convenience Store - Takeaway Food Shop" 2011-10-19 15:09:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Underground Telegraph wires - Trees in streets improving - Botanical Gardens development - Scottish arms and Community Cnt." 2011-10-19 15:08:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Green Bins for garden refuse - Dead agaparthus heads should be removed straight after flowering on roundabouts." 2011-10-19 15:06:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Good but some projects should be part of maintenance which is council by council rates." 2011-10-19 15:04:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "The wide age range of ages of adults and children in our area creates, I feel the sense of a real neighbourhood" 2011-10-19 15:03:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 15:01:53 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said " A corner store similar to the one opposite the Bowral High School." 2011-10-19 15:01:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "A dog poo bin at the ponds walkway which starts at old south rd and ends at warby st would be greatly appreciated." 2011-10-19 15:00:18 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "A great thoughtfull Seleciton" 2011-10-19 14:59:13 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "No Comment" 2011-10-19 14:51:22 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "No" 2011-10-19 14:50:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "1. We suggest regarding sports amenities that the people who use the location be consulted as to their needs. 2. Proposals should be treated as a necessary part of ongoing council maintenance." 2011-10-19 14:50:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "We are new to the area and do not know any services or groups. but we live on a walking track and have found people to be very friendly as they pass by our home. There seems to be a good community spirit." 2011-10-19 14:48:21 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "I dont feel East Bowral has its own identity or sufficient service. it is the poor relative of the Bowral. It was just created with no thought being put into the planning . A general store would be a low cost concept which would benefit residents. A great deal more than pretty gardens, paths and roundabouts." 2011-10-19 14:34:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "Yes" 2011-10-19 14:31:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "East Bowral needs some small attractive shopping centre to facilitate the needs of residents - Of course no McDonalds or KFC is to be included." 2011-10-19 14:31:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "East Bowral needs a general store eg exteter & Berrima which include a Post Office, Groceries and Deli - Coffee Shop This would be of great help to both elderly and young families" 2011-10-19 14:29:37 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "Too much emphasis on rowland & boardman rd..East bowral needs a great deal more imporvements other than just in these limited areas." 2011-10-19 14:27:47 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Resident Survey Response said "Extensive plantings of large native and exotic trees especially adjacent to the dams and Parklands of the David Wood Playing Fields. Large & Extensive deciduous tree planting for the summer protection around play equipment. Play area upgrade to include equipment suitable for a wider age-group of children" 2011-10-19 14:20:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Resident Survey Response said "the exisitng parking area is totally inadequate and considerably more designated parking is immediatley needed. The long suffering residents surrounding the BCC & SA are inconvenienced day and night with over-flow veicles parking on their naturestrips and street fronts. Noise from departing patrons is also a problem. This option should be used for the verge immediatley in front of residents in Rowland Rd adjacent to the exisiting carpark." 2011-10-19 14:06:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "Urgently neede dcalming devices in boardman rd, adjacent to the park/ playing feilds and marked crossings for the safety of children using these facilities. Removal of vision interferring plantings in boardman rd. Roundabouts before a serious accident occurs." 2011-10-19 13:52:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Resident Survey Response said "The proposals represent positive improvements to many aspect of the East Bowral Area. Some proposals will also be of benefit to the wider highlands community (Botanic Gardens ' & sporting fields). Option 17 needs to be altered from Lighting to Comprise the upgrading of the sports areas to "competition"" 2011-10-19 13:50:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Resident Survey Response said "East Bowral is a family oriented community, proud of their well maintained homes and gardens, It is a pleasant area in which to reside but there is always room for improvement." 2011-10-19 13:46:49 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why cakepro said "This has been going on for years. Just build something somewhere in the Shire. honestly we all want it in our own backyard but when you look at the distance in km and times for people across the shire to travel to Moss Vale in the info kit you can see that it actually is central. I've had a look at public transport too and most buses go to Moss Vale and so does the train. And Bazlynda they are asking us now what we want included." 2011-10-19 12:42:09 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre cakepro said "Aqua aerobic classes in early morning or evening would be of interest for me as a working mum. My children would enjoy holiday activities and I like the idea of different pool uses like the water basketball." 2011-10-19 12:33:28 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre cakepro said "I live in Mittagong and would not travel to Picton. Moss Vale would be much more convenient although I'd like the existing Bowral swimming pool site considered too. " 2011-10-19 12:31:57 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why rfgj said "All the comments about the pool must be located in Bowral don't wash. If you live in Mittagong or Renwick or Colo Vale and think Moss Vale is too far - OK continue to travel to Picton. But if you live in Wingello, Bundanoon, Exeter, Burrawang, Robertson (and a lot do) are they expected to travel the extra distances. Council have no doubt done the numbers on the various pools and Moss Vale came up a the bese and least expensive option. Moss Vale is probably the centre point of the shire." 2011-10-19 12:28:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre rfgj said "Walking and exercise areas for those in the area who cannot afford Annersley, Bowral House etc for aquatic physiotherapy. This would benefit more senior members of the community and those with sports injuries. " 2011-10-19 12:22:09 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex Drifter said "Extra Funding....close both the existing Moss Vale and Bowral Pools, KEEP MITTAGONG and Build an aquatic centre at Eridge Park." 2011-10-19 11:32:24 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre Drifter said "I will continue to visit Picton rather than go to Moss Vale. " 2011-10-19 11:28:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Drifter said "This facility MUST be developed in Bowral, which is more central to all residents of the Southern Highlands. People north of Bowral will just not travel 40 minutes to go to a pool...Campbelltown is closer. Leave space and look at adding a gym once it is determined whether or not this becomes a financially worth while project." 2011-10-19 11:22:21 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre Welby said "Lap swimming that is well monitored by staff with fast, medium and slow lanes. It's important to adjust lanes according to usage levels. Also, learn to swim for babies through to children (where one parent gets to be in the water with the bubs). I agree with Bazlynda's comment about wanting Eridge Park Leisure Centre, however must disagree with most Mittagong pool users heading to Picton. I would use Moss Vale over Picton. Picton is just that little bit extra too far to go when you have to fit visits in around having young bubs!" 2011-10-19 10:53:46 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex Welby said "Use it on maintaining the facility! The pools in the area look a little run down and change rooms can often feel dirty." 2011-10-19 10:47:12 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Welby said "Without an artist's impression, it's difficult to know what it will look like. However, I like the idea of the skylight type roof used by the Pambula Beach example." 2011-10-19 10:44:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved cabbage said "I live in Bowral and have no problem with traveling to Moss Vale. I offten visit Kiama leisure centre wich has a 25m pool and a smaller childens pool, I think these are adequate." 2011-10-19 10:43:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Welby said "The 25m pool for lap swimming. Personally, I believe a gym is unecessary as I would utilise one closer to where I live. I'm one of the many who are disappointed Eridge Park was canned, however I do wish to end up with a pool in the Highlands that I can use for lap swimming during the colder months." 2011-10-19 10:38:31 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre cabbage said "All year learn to swim program is need, and I would use it at any pool in the highlands." 2011-10-19 10:27:45 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why peter said "We need the indoor centre as a priority I dont care if it is in Mittagong, Bowral or Moss Vale, just let's get it!" 2011-10-19 09:22:48 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved wayside said "What is the point of doing half a project for this community which is in comparison to other country areas has been neglected for years . Could council do one thing corectally and cover a 50 metre pool so all the community is being looked after rather than the second choice will do. 8 million to cover a small pool get better value for our hard earned dollars and cover something worth covering . Thank-you for the opportunity to at voice an opinion L. tierney" 2011-10-19 08:33:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-services-or-events-at-the-pool-would-ensure-you-used-the-centre bazlynda said "To be honest, as someone who has been crying out for an indoor pool for the Highlands for many years, I don't think I would use the Moss Vale pool. It is too hard to get to and it will be just as convenient to go to Picton, which has a much more superior facility that the one being foisted on us. Has anyone considered that most of the Mittagong pool users will head to Picton? I unfortunately see the Moss Vale pool being a tremendous white elephant and a burden on the community for years to come. A proper facility, such as the Eridge Park leisure centre with dry facilities available as well to offset costs, in a central part of the Highlands, is the only option we have to have a financially viable facility. I feel that if this current project is what Council decides to run with then we would be better off not proceeding with any facility (and wait until we get a council with less agendas)." 2011-10-19 08:22:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex bazlynda said "How can you expand a complex like Moss Vale which is restricted by space? The whole point of building at Eridge Park was that it had room to add future facilities to offset costs. But the current council refuses to acknowledge this as a potential site, instead deciding to reinvent the wheel. Interesting that in all of the past investigations into the most suitable location for a pool, Moss Vale was never the chosen site until the current council was elected." 2011-10-19 08:17:37 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved bazlynda said "Once again, where is the community consultation as to what is involved? Why would you build in an exisiting site when you are going to rip up the existing pool and build a new one anyway? As a ratepayer I demand a say in where this pool is built!" 2011-10-19 08:13:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Art lover said "It makes good sense to develop an existing pool. I would think that Bowral would be a more central location for the area." 2011-10-19 08:12:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why bazlynda said "How is this community consultation when Council has already decided where the pool will be and what it will involve? How does building it at Moss Vale, within old facilities, help the new residents of Renwick and the Northern Villages, where most of the growth of the Highlands is occurring? Community consultation, if it is serious, would allow the community to decide; 1) where it is built 2) what it will include " 2011-10-19 08:10:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-extra-funding-become-available-what-new-facility-or-feature-would-you-like-to-see-incorporated-into-the-complex Amanda said "Why is the only option Moss Vale?? When was the community consulted about this location option?? " 2011-10-18 18:22:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why Amanda said "The pool needs to be located at Bowral swimming centre. Why is Moss Vale the site?? Short sighted option which will not be successful. People will not attend a pool at Moss Vale. " 2011-10-18 18:17:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-like-the-concept-plan-could-it-be-improved Amanda said "This pool should be located at Bowral. This is a more central location with good access via trains etc. It is the hub of our shire. Additionally when school carnivals are held you can utilise the 50m outdoor pool. This is a common useage configuration in many other shires. If an indoor pool is to be effective thought should be given to future use and not cheap shortcuts." 2011-10-18 18:10:41 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/which-aspects-of-the-proposed-facilities-would-ensure-you-regularly-used-the-indoor-aquatic-centre-and-why cantwait said "Definitely the 25m pool with 8 lanes is a must, also the pool facilites for children. I am not sure we need a gym at this point, although after using the facilites at the Singleton Aquatic Centre I understand the benefits of the two being under the same roof." 2011-10-18 17:55:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Idea said "All I really can think about is that East Bowral is a growing community from the young to the old, we have a play ground for the young, a lovely oval for all ages, getting the botanical gardens for again all ages, why dont we consider having a good size bike track that can be used by all ages of children. Go and have a look at the bike track that the Council put in in Nowra what a wonderful track that is, my kids just love it." 2011-09-28 16:00:21 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral piper235b said "SHARED PATHWAY FROM EAST BOWRAL TO CHEVALIER COLLEGE & OXLEY COLLEGE In the bigger plans of our Shire, there should be a pathway to both these colleges to enable our children to walk & ride to school. The benefits of a healthier choice several times a week would be enourmous. I think it could easily be constructed from the Old South Rd/Kangaloon Rd/ Eridge Park Rd roundabout - along the Eastern side of Eridge Park Rd, then up Southern side of Charlotte St past Chev's entrance. It could continue North along the Eastern side of Moss Vale Rd to Osborne Rd (part of the pathway is already there), cross Moss Vale Rd via a pedestrian crossing (there's good visibility both directions & a resonably level section of road) and continue to Oxley College via either side of Osborne Rd. There are some alternate ways to get to Oxley College, any would be better than none." 2011-09-28 12:23:12 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark piper235b said "I think it is outrageous that the residents of East Bowral are expected to use their community funds to pay for parking which The Scottsh Arms should have been required to provide. A. It should not be happening in the first place (thanks WSC) and B. The Scottish Arms should be funding any upgrades to street parking - ultimately it's to their profit. I pity the poor residents nearby, the late night traffic must be a real pain in the a***" 2011-09-28 12:11:07 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral piper235b said "Water bubbler or tap needed for David Wood playing fields. My children often go to the fields to kick a soccer ball etc and when they forget to take a water bottle, come back very dehydrated" 2011-09-28 11:28:14 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Frog said "Hi Dylan, I believe the planning and layout of the Shop & Tavern didn't do the owners any favours. The shop was so far removed from the functioning centre of the tavern that managing the shop was not viable. The shop commanded staff fully attentive to that area, regardless of customers, the staff could not be servicable to other areas of tavern-service. This meant that shop running costs were too high. I say this next part with no intention to offend. I am comfortable in not having a shop. The Bowral retail centre needs all the support we can give it and by having 'corner shops', it displaces and changes social and cultural flows of a community. Given the economic times, I don't believe the timing is quite right for this. The other point that needs to be made is that the shop idea is a worrying one in terms of putting S94 funds into a commercial operation. The funds are from the area and for the area. Using those funds to profit the pockets of individuals is not what the funds are all about. I believe they should be for some sort of environmental enhancement, not commercial gains. Thanks for allowing me to comment." 2011-09-28 11:05:58 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Concerned resident said "Concerned resident While consideration is given to improving the David Wood Playing Fields, perhaps the inclusion of shade protection for the children's paly area could be given. In the hot summer sun the children's play equipment is so hot that it cannot be used. We must also protect children from harmful sun's rays and set agood example when it comes to OH&S principals" 2011-09-27 14:21:18 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Concerned resident said "Concerned Resident While concerned that there is inadequate parking for the users of the Community Centre and Scottish Arma, my greatest concern is for the residents who live in Rowland Rd and the immediate vacinity. I they have visitors where do they park? What about the value of their property- surely it is devalued by the increased usage and constant heavy traffic in front , not to mention the mud etc.. There is also the issue of the bust stop and school children getting off the bus with increased traffic in the bus zone. Angle parking while suiting visitors to the centre, for their personal needs is an intrusion into the quiet residential area which we the residents must fight to protect. My vote is No to the proposal. It is also the resonsibility of the Scottish Arms to provide adequate parking for clients using their facilities, not the burden of residents! " 2011-09-27 14:04:38 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral dylan said "It COULD be fitting if they decided not to be so greedy" 2011-09-27 13:05:47 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral dylan said "Specific "Welcome To East Bowral" on either sides of the area would be a welcome enhancement." 2011-09-27 13:04:26 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral dylan said "Never got used" 2011-09-27 13:01:22 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Peter F said "With the ratio of parkland to population in the East Bowral Development being the highest in Australia shouldn't the precinct be renamed Bowral Gardens - rather than the generic geographical name of East Bowral. This idea is proposed by the East Bowral Community Group - or should we say Bowral Gardens Community Group" 2011-09-27 06:34:08 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals eastbowrallocal said "Thank you to the council for asking us this time for our suggestions. Just wondering if we were asked about the half court cement slab/netball ring/cement wall that was built recently. It must have cost quite a lot of money & does not seem to be utilised all that often. A full basketball court would be preferable I feel. Also a "nature playground" for kids would be good with rocks to climb on etc, like the one at Mt Annan botanic gardens Narellan, which is an excellent adventure playground. Improving the soccer fields would be great too." 2011-09-26 20:42:24 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark eastbowrallocal said "After rain that area looks terrible with all the tyre tracks from people parking on the grass. maybe stop the cars parking there & encourage them on the other side of scottish arms where there is curb & guttering (near the post box side)" 2011-09-26 20:06:34 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals M.Williams said "Thank you Wingecarribee Council for providing this community forum! With 3 now grown up "sporty " children we were disappointed that the promised basketball court was never built. The proposed new basketball court would provide much better team and family fitness, ( rather than the small netball ring/tiny court that is there now.) It could double as a tennis court for " older residents who think they wouldn't use a basketball court" as well as providing a safe place for littlies to ride their bikes. There is not one public basketball court in Bowral and for years we've had to travel to Moss Vale and Mittagong to play. ( Is this why kids trespass into Bowral High to play on their court?) Let's build things that provide for multiple uses." 2011-09-23 14:13:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Court said "All three projects are worthwhile" 2011-09-23 12:20:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Kentroy said "The Botanic Gardens Entrance should be given some priority enhancing the entrance to Bowral and providing further recreation areas for both visitors and residents. A lot work has gone into this project and would be a great asset to the Shire as a whole. Complementing the gardens street tree planting should be undertaken in areas where needed and trees replaced where they have died or builders have removed them to enable driveways to enter properties." 2011-09-22 08:19:15 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals roycroftc said "1. Some tennis courts in the Boardman sporting area for all ages. 2. some more attention to the creek leading into Chain of Ponds, removing bullrushes and creating a lake similar to the Lakes opposite the sporting complex. 3. Give the above creek a name. 4. Develop the Chain of Ponds play areas for older children as well as young ones. 5. Encourage people to develop their footpath areas, trees if not planted and bright annuals. 6. Stop traffic parking outside houses that where there long before the pub that snuck in via a restaurant and take away. 7. No blackboards or advertising outside Pub." 2011-09-21 22:11:42 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Frog said "I am only responding to the views that you originally expressed. Can I a point out that when this land that we share, was originally subdivided, it was divided and named. Burradoo Views, Highlands Glen, Pipers Glen etc. At that time and is confirmed with historical fact, East Bowral was known as the area that covers Sheaffe St, Price St, Thomson St, Derby St, etc. Given the distinct difference in areas, I fully support using the name under which my 'property title' declares. Secondly, although you claim the verges as council property and rightfully they are, I do recall reading in the covernents of this area, that we agree to maintain within reason the verges adjacent to our properties. Council does maintain the streetscaping and if you lodge an application for a tree replacement of your dead tree, I am sure they will help. They do the tree scape replenishing once a year and all you have to do is lodge an application.... not hard. Cheers for now, Frog" 2011-09-19 16:33:29 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a leah day said "Recently I attended the Wingecarribee Shire Council workshops in relation to the proposed regional art gallery at the former Mittagong Bowling Club. Strong emphasis was placed upon the possible functions of an art gallery complex and the wishes of the community for use of the building in the absence, as yet, of any financial costs. In my opinion, however, some of these dreams may well be of an unrealistic nature given the legal restrictions in respect of the 1885 Declaration of Trust that governs the site. I was pleased to see Councillor Juliet Arkwright in attendance at the workshop on 10 September, who answered questions from participants. Councillor Arkwright acknowledged the implications of the trust deed and confirmed that only the fabric of the present building is under consideration for the proposed gallery with extension of the building not an option. Alexandra Square Associates remain committed to maintaining Alexandra Square as a public recreation reserve as defined by the original trustees for future generations of the town to enjoy this precious public space. Our group has no objection to a regional art gallery but believes that the current location is unsuitable for logistic reasons. We think that a new purpose built building in a central location would be a more realistic objective than attempting to modernise the former Mittagong Bowling Club and the anticipated substantial costs involved. We look forward to the next workshop and the presentation of the consultant’s feasibility study together with Council’s own Plan of Management and costings for the proposal. " 2011-09-19 10:14:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place EastBowralResident said "As mentioned the trees on Emily Circuit are dead so one cannot appreciate that kind of setting. It is council property and they should maintain there property and plant appropriate trees. You are wrong and should not assume anything. Most of the other tree settings in the area beautiful. It is only the one area I am talking about. Note that I am talking about East Bowral not Burradoo Views." 2011-09-19 05:56:27 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Frog said "Yes, vegitated roundabouts enhance the visual appeal and I agree... if you can't see across the roundabout, you would be more likely to slow down and be a cautious driver. More often, it is the roundabouts that have clear vision that have more accidents, because people feel too confident at trying to 'beat', the nearest car." 2011-09-18 21:14:57 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Frog said "Hey Charlie, the purpose of these submissions it to utilise our funds to enhance our area. A shop is a commercial venture and not appropriate use of funds." 2011-09-18 21:08:43 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Frog said "Wardy, A shop has already been unsuccessfully trialed, it is not in fitting with the area." 2011-09-18 21:06:32 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Frog said "As a life long Bowralite and as one of the first home owners in Burradoo Views, I can say it has been a pleasure to see this area develop in a way that pays tribute to the highland culture. It is a shame that you don't appreciate the land and tree scaping that sets our area apart from other areas of NSW." 2011-09-18 20:57:52 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Frog said "I disagree.... having lived here all my life, I can tell you what sets Bowral apart from other areas is our strategic management of unnecessary blots on the landscape. If you want shops and restaurants there is a place that can offer you all the shops and restaurants you please, about an hour north of here!" 2011-09-18 20:40:36 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place EastBowralResident said "Something is not nessarily good. The trees are not the best and will be too large and when will the council trim them? Yes many trees are dead. Tree do improve the environment but only if they are correct for the footpaths and right for the area. Also too much damage has already occurred on the footpaths as the trees are too large. It would be nice too have trees appropriate for the footpath but planting ugly big trees does not enhance anything. Also there are the trees on Emily Circuit (those in the wooden edging) these are planted too close togheter. Using woodclip is a disaster too. Let's hope there are no white ants or other bugs brought into the area. We already have too many rats and red back spiders here. Those black ants are just also invaded East Bowral - they were never a problem before." 2011-09-16 20:33:50 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place J & G Gower said "We are more than happy with the tree planting on Emily Circuit. The trees enhance the overall appearance of the street by adding to the vista and creating an avenue of greenery. The choice of trees was not the best but something is much better than nothing. As the trees mature they will improve and add to a greener environement. However, it would be much better if the original trees that the developers planted on the waterway side of the street that have died could be replaced. Between the easement and Boardman Road there are approximately ten trees that have died or been removed. If we could balance up the two sides it would be perfect. " 2011-09-16 10:40:44 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a-regional-gallery david said "http://communitygarden.org.au/ is abundant with ideas for what to do with this site. The building has to go." 2011-09-16 08:35:14 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a david said ""strength" 3 - the site is a bequest for community use for which council is the trustee. The building (and the "car park") were improperly allowed 50 years ago. When the club members could not sustain the cost (even by selling alcohol and operating gaming machines) the RSL took over for a while and then, also unable to sustain the costs, closed it. They should be asked to make good the site for community use - they were the last to occupy it." 2011-09-14 16:38:34 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a-regional-gallery david said "I agree with your remarks about the site. I disagree that a RAG would be rate payers money well spent." 2011-09-14 16:28:57 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a-regional-gallery david said "Council, as the trustee of the bequest of land for public recreation, would not be acting appropriately in allowing a small interest group to occupy the building, the construction and use of which was improperly allowed fifty years ago. If Ms Arkwright wants a gallery there are plenty of premises available for her to rent. " 2011-09-14 15:30:52 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals wal said "A potential use for unspent funds is the upgrade of Loris RD at its Western to remove the single lane interface between the earlier estates divided road and new estate . This link has no pedestrian provisions and judging by the perpetual tyre made potholes on the western end of the faux brick section it is not adequate for the traffic that now uses it. its traffic calming ability is questionable as it it causes uncertainty about right of way." 2011-09-13 14:47:55 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark wal said "The main users or misuser's of the limited street parking are people involved with the community centre. They have no where else to park safely. On the east side of Boardman Rd beside Emily Circuit is an underused area i.e. parkland, a small portion which that would lend itself to an off-street carpark ,with suitable landscaping. Pedestrian crossings may need to be installed across Boardman and Emily Cct. as some of the community centre attendees are of a senior demographic. Designated no parking on the southern side of Rowland Rd,an increased number of disabled parking spots in the the community centres existing carpark, would complete the project . " 2011-09-12 16:01:23 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a country said "Too isolated...needs to be close to other related facilities/shops/buildings of interest to locals & visitors rather than in the middle of a residential area. Difficult to imagine coaches in those streets & sufficient parking could be a problem especially with schools nearby." 2011-09-10 13:50:48 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/could-you-name-a-regional-gallery-that-you-have-visited-that-could-provide-a-model-for-the-proposed-southern-highland-facility-what-aspects-of-that-gallery-are-worth-replicating country said "Wagga Wagga...a great combination of retail & exhibition space" 2011-09-10 13:29:46 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned mittagong said "The Gallery must be maned and staffed by professional's in the feild of running a Gallery.. This will ensure that a high standard is met, as there are other Regional Art Galleries within less than an hour of the Highlands that will draw visitors to those galleries if this is not run professionaly and is of a high standard. " 2011-09-10 10:11:16 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place PRM said "I agree. I notices a few months ago that Council Contractors had mown a walking path along the back of Harley Street out to Mansfield Road (not far from Mansfield Reserve area). Unfortunately after heavy rain the area become very boggy for many days. Nevertheless I was happy that some attempt to open this area had occurred. (Not sure what the residents of Harley Street think ...... ?)" 2011-09-08 17:27:15 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral PRM said "I've only lived in East Bowral for about 4 years, but fell in love with area from the start. We're lucky to have such wonderful walking/cycle paths. The open spaces are a blessing. I appreciate the wetland areas and the 'Ponds of Reflection' near the proposed Botanic Gardens, the waterfowl life is expanding and there is always something to see. My wish is that Council (and we locals) would be more pro-active about picking up litter which seems to get thrown around. Luckily the area has not become blighted by grafitti (pray things stay that way." 2011-09-08 17:17:34 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral PRM said "The grass verges adjacent to the Scottish Arms/Community Centre in Rowland Road have become churned up and rutted by parked cars. It might be a good time to seal these sections as a hard-stand area. On many days the car park for the Arms and Community Centre is not large enough to cope with the number of patrons cars." 2011-09-08 17:00:06 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned Philip said "My comment is not so much of what programs and services but that all programs and services offered are really accessible. I can explain this by anecdote: I am an architect. I have seen proof of success many times over by the use of design presentations which involve the client so well that they feel they are designing their project themselves. Informal sketchy drawings and simple "pull apart and rearrange " type models are used in their presence. Individual clients are often more excited by these than by formally produced drawings which they frequently find intimidating. So, rather than always formally presenting highly professional artworks,lectures and workshops, make the character and scale of all displays and activities such that the viewers are excited in feeling involved and keen to go away to make something themselves. " 2011-09-07 23:25:50 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned mittagong said " If the Gallery is to servive on repeat visits by locals and visitors to the Highlands it is imperative that there is no entry free to the gallery and its exhibitions, however if the gallery was able to get a high class traveling exhibition then maybe a small entrance fee can be charged if allowed. Charging an etrance fee will kill off most families and people visiting or going or even re visiting the Gallery, but a small donation box could be recommended. It would need a very good coffee like sturts shop and maybe a book shop. The building is situated in this beautiful park and the coffee shop and the gallery would have to be designed to take full advantage of the parkland setting and its views as people would return to use the coffee shop if it is of a high standard. And as the council can not make a profit as per the legal trust I dont think the coffee shop will get the standard that is needed, as no commerical person would take it on if they were not able to make a profit. " 2011-09-07 11:24:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Ray Payer said "East Bowral still looks somewhat incomplete without full street planting both in the residential streets and the reserves. When you drive down the hill from the Mittagong area and come to Boardman Road you find a somewhat empty space begging for trees. Some streets have very few trees of any merit. Footpaths are an important part of the area as they allow access for young and old in all conditions. There are parts of the area poorly served by paths, as addressed in the present submission and these rightly should be created. I do not believe our section 94 money should be spent on roads or culverts. The parking opposite the community centre and hotel is a problem but where can people park when the allocated parking spaces are full? Perhaps we need to look at this problem in another way by providing a solution in the form of additional parking spaces in the reserve, if possible. Why did the council allow a hotel on the corner when extra parking would have been much more sensible." 2011-09-06 17:23:12 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Graeme said "I would first like to congratulate the Council for asking the Community on what they would like from the section 94 funds. Also I'd like to thank them for providing us with an opportunity to voice our opinions through the recent meeting and their website. The funds should be use to beautify and improve facilities in the area. I'm all for improving sporting facilities and providing areas that can be utilised by families who reside in East Bowral. I like to see the funds going to improvement of the sporting fields, Botanical gardens, Tree planting and improved footpathing. I'd would urge residence when completing their survey to consider the above and not give priority to programs that Council should be providing to us through our rates." 2011-09-06 17:10:47 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Ray Payer said "Limited vision at roundabouts creates extremely dangerous driving situations. We cannot assume all drivers drive well and safely. Too often I have seen people driving quickly through roundabouts in this area without even looking to their left or right, or slowing down. We need to see these people coming." 2011-09-06 17:09:04 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place Suburbanite said "East Bowral lacks a heart. It needs more than the Scottish Arms (although that's good). It needs shops, restaurants and all the things that go to make up a community. It needs a village atmosphere." 2011-09-05 12:35:36 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned mittagong said " No 7, Selling items at a commission or any profit would not be permitted under the legal advise which I think would stop any sales of artist works as it then becomes a commerical venture for council and the artists. needs more investigating." 2011-09-05 11:39:34 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a mittagong said "If you get a chance to look at the legal advise from the Attorney General he states the council can only use specifically the unused bowling club buildingas as RAG, which would mean no scuplure garden or enlarging/extending the building would not be not allowed under those words and cant be use as a community centre, it has too many restriction to work well. So because of these restrictions it makes it hard to agree with this site for such an important thing as RAG for the area. " 2011-09-05 11:19:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a mittagong said " I dont belive that sponsorships would be permitted as this would bee seen as making money or frofit to the council which is not permitted under the legal advise. If you get a chance look at the Legal advise and the Attorney General stating they can only use specifically the unused existing building, and can not make a profit. Also I dont think the building is available immediatley as it would take a few years to from now to be ready." 2011-09-05 11:10:59 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a mittagong said " A car park is not allowed on any of the park under the legal trust, so parking would have to be made availavble near or around the park. " 2011-09-05 10:04:19 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a mittagong said " Weaknesses Not in a central location Out of the way for passing trafic Too far from railway station and bus stops. The cost will be massive to renovate to a high standard that is needed for a RAG. Annual operating costs each year too high ( statistic's on operating of regional galleries 250-400 Thousand). The huge cost to bring the building up to OHS. Charging an entrance fee this should be free for all residence without a charge. The trust on land ie what is permitted under the trust as a good RAG needs a coffee shop, book shop etc and the trust I beleive does not allow this. Good car parking (which is not alowed on the park as per the trust ). I beleive the building can not be extented or enlarged under the trust. The legal advise states the the Gallery can not make a profit, this will inhibit the running of the Gallery. The rest of the park need a massive amount of money spent on it to bring it up to enhance the Gallery and it setting. WIll take years to establish which may blow out costs. Grants are not large enough to cover all costs in the begining and ongoing. just look at Newcastle Council had to put in over a million dollars to keep their gallery going this year. Strengths Building and land already owned by council If the money can be found to renovate and operate the Gallery to a high standard that is needed and the park area and setting could be so wonderful with the right design and plantaings. Grants available. " 2011-09-05 10:01:29 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a-regional-gallery mittagong said " It is in the wrong place for the passing trafic and needs to be more central, it is in a residential area and 3 blocks from the main road. The building is ugly and would require a massive alterations program for the building, so re building in a more central location would be rate payers money well spent." 2011-09-05 09:26:11 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a susan Buret said "The building is available immediately, has good outdoor spaces and being placed at the north eastern end of the region is easily accessible to visitors from the Sydney area and with a good exhibition program has the potential to bring visitors to the area as well as provide a service to locals. Renovation costs may be able to be supplemented by sponsorship of gallery areas by local residents and businesses. " 2011-09-05 08:01:35 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/could-you-name-a-regional-gallery-that-you-have-visited-that-could-provide-a-model-for-the-proposed-southern-highland-facility-what-aspects-of-that-gallery-are-worth-replicating susan Buret said "Goulburn Regional Gallery, Treed River Art Gallery and Logan Art Gallery in SE Queensland. All show a good mix oflocal, travelling and curated exhibitions and have active educational and public programs. All have welcoming and engaging staff." 2011-09-05 07:55:46 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Frog said "Hi Pdm, Yes I am a keen fan of street-scaping too. But those Radiata pines are so tall and stately, they really do demonstrate a sense of distinction. " 2011-09-04 21:14:52 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Frog said "One option not mentioned at the meeting last Thursday was infrastructure for outdoor exercise. Consisting of a few poles and cross bars of various heights. There is a great one at Bondi Beach and is always in use by the whole community. There are also a limited system in Wollongong and is often used early mornings for fitness. " 2011-09-04 21:09:02 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Frog said "Not so fond of a shop – convenient yes, UGLY yes!!" 2011-09-04 21:04:16 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Frog said "As a local and a user of the facilities at the Community Centre, I do appreciate the need for additional parking. I am not totally favourable to parallel parking, but suspect that angle parking may be better option." 2011-09-04 21:01:58 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Frog said "I can’t say enough about the benefits of street-scaping, what’s more is the ongoing commitment by residents to have their landscaping reflect their appreciation for the area… the benefits of the collective for the collective! We are geographically, culturally and historically endowed, we need to preserve the benefits we all enjoy. " 2011-09-04 20:57:20 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral mark81 said "It is a great idea and I would like to see it too, however I dare not ask what the cost would be in property purchasing. The other cycle track at moss vale council owned all the land, however this one, council own hardly any. It will certainly take it over the $700,000 budget." 2011-09-04 20:34:51 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral EastBowralResident said "I do tend to agree with you that BBQ's may attract vermin only because: 1. Some people are not tidy and do not care about cleanliness or other people property (not even their own). Like those who deface and destroy things. 2. The council does not care either. They don't even tidy or maintain their own property footpaths and lawn. When was the last time you saw them mow their footpath in front of your house. So trying to ask the council to be responsible for the parks and gradens is problably not an option either. In NSW many of the national parks that have BBQ's are very clean and tidy because the authorities and councils that do maintain them, provide the wood or gas and keep them tidy on a daily basis. Bowral and other areas in the Southern Highlands are not as tidy as they once were. Seeing Macdonalds and other rubbish on the roads every day is just disgusting for such pretty towns and yes this is when it attracts vermon. Check out some people's back yards (many in fact) and you will also see the rubbish and filth. The vernon like rats are now to East Bowral. So maybe just the seats and sheltered picnic tables - if people can be clean and tidy!" 2011-09-03 09:23:05 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned Roger said "Services and programmes 1 Regular exhibitions of high standard of wide range of 'art'. Probably for no more than 8 weeks maximum. Include the outdoor sculpture garden and one site for "installations" Also hold suitable music events especially if the main Gallery could be made acoustically suitable. 2 Occasional Involvement of schools and community organizations in the choice of exhibition subject, its selection, hanging and stewardship during the exhibition, so that 'ownership' seems to become that of the school or community group rather than the Gallery. Involvement could also be on the level of a membership programme to involve committed people to help with the Gallery - hanging, working in the shop, helping at events, guides for group visits, greeters at the door etc. This could make a visit to the gallery more user friendly and informative. An 'Art prize' could be an annual event. 3 There should be a good use of local artistic talent (local or regional) in the smaller rooms. Including musical events 4 Be the centre for information about money available through Grants or sponsors from all sources. They could have a power to make grants to or sponsor local artists or artistic organizations ( A variation on the Councils cultural awards) 5 Rooms and galleries for hire with reductions for community organizations or arts groups. 6 Form associations with other art organizations (Sturt, BDAS, Other Regional Galleries, Arts Council etc) and publicity and news groups (TV and Newsprint organizations) 5 Act as a source of innovation for public art projects and events. 6 Have free admission to all exhibitions, 7 Operate a shop which sells selected local art objects such a books, cards, small paintings or prints, wearable art, wood objects etc. Preferably not from any commercial ventures. Possibly with a maximum price of $60. A commission of say 30% " 2011-09-03 08:39:05 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a Roger said "The weaknesses are 1 The Club is not near any other public buildings and so it would depend upon people going specifically to the Art Gallery. 2 It would probably be high cost to renovate to create a good Gallery and other needed facilities. The strengths are 1 It has a good car parking area which is adjacent to the entrance. 2 The grounds are probably suitable for a sculpture garden 2 It would probably be able to make rooms available for community meetings at low cost. 3 The premises are already owned by the Council. " 2011-09-03 07:50:04 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/could-you-name-a-regional-gallery-that-you-have-visited-that-could-provide-a-model-for-the-proposed-southern-highland-facility-what-aspects-of-that-gallery-are-worth-replicating Roger said "Shoalhaven Art Gallery in Nowra. It comprises a main gallery and one or two other smaller galleries convenient for smaller (usually one man shows by minor artists with smaller works) It has a shop selling a wide range of goods made by local artists at 30% commission. There are several room suitable for art tuition courses and workshops. I think these rooms were also hired out to other organizations for a fee. There is an active support group of people (Friends of the gallery) who greet you at the door and help with any aspect of the Gallery. There is a small area near the entrance with comfortable seats and armchairs where the public can sit and wait for friends or talk with the 'Friends of the Gallery" Visiting the Gallery was always a pleasant welcoming experience. It seemed to be able to attract several major traveling exhibitions every year. Car parking was easy being available immediately outside on the road or across the road in a car park. Once inside the building there were no steps. It was open at weekends though closed one mid week day.. " 2011-09-03 07:36:12 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Nikki said "Possibly concrete kerbs along Rowland Rd so the area doesn't become a mud bath." 2011-09-02 20:26:48 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Nikki said "I agree about the trees. In the ten years I have been here, I have seen the suburb grow and become one of beauty. The trees and pathways make it a beautiful place to use for both residents and visitors. I know alot of people who come to East Bowral to walk as Bowral doesn't have as many maintained paths as East Bowral does. Thankyou for making it such a beautiful and family friendly area." 2011-09-02 20:24:35 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/imagine-that-the-regional-gallery-is-up-and-running-describe-the-programs-and-services-provided-at-the-gallery-that-ensure-its-regular-use-at-least-4-visits-per-annum-by-the-local-community-and-by-tourists-what-would-ensure-you-regularly-returned Helen said "Regularly changing exhibitions by local and visiting artists, art prizes, workshops, programs for schools and provision for other community uses, e.g. for meetings and social functions." 2011-09-02 18:42:23 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a-regional-gallery Helen said "It will need some good design work and adequate parking, as well as good plantings on the site." 2011-09-02 18:40:44 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/please-list-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-proposed-regional-gallery-location-site-in-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-at-alexandra-square-in-mittagong-do-you-have-any-comments-on-the-adaptive-reuse-of-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-facility-as-a Helen said "A strength is that it is already in public hands and not far to walk from the main part of Mittagong. A weakness is that it is not near another community facility, for example, the Library, as is the case with Orange Regional Gallery." 2011-09-02 18:39:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/could-you-name-a-regional-gallery-that-you-have-visited-that-could-provide-a-model-for-the-proposed-southern-highland-facility-what-aspects-of-that-gallery-are-worth-replicating Helen said "Orange Regional Gallery, which I have visited on many occasions, is a good model, with a main and smaller exhibition hall and a lot of local involvement." 2011-09-02 18:37:49 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral DebC said "Picnic tables and seating are a good idea, but BBQs attract vermin and are a nightmare for Council to maintain in a sanitary condition. Have experienced this in other areas and States. " 2011-09-02 17:03:00 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral pdm said "I agree with the picnic tables and seating at both locations suggested. The ponds area is a great location for a family get together or just to relax. " 2011-09-02 12:47:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral EastBowralResident said "1. A few seats at the playing fields and at the duck ponds would be great for the walkers and those who love to just sit and watch. 2. Some sheltered picnic tables and seats at the playing fields and maybe even a BBQ or two." 2011-09-02 11:45:20 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral mark81 said "The only reason I suggested this is for example with Boardman Road, recently Council said it will not be done for another 10 years given the lifespan of the resealing works. And the state of the other roads in the highlands that have not been done when they need to be done shows that Council don't like to spend too much on roads, but rather seem to spend it all on footpaths that mostly are unneccessary." 2011-09-02 09:52:44 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Wardy said "I agree but this should be done out of councils road budget not left over money from development." 2011-09-01 19:00:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place EastBowralResident said "A few seats at the playing fields and at the duck ponds would be great for the walkers and those who love to just sit and watch. " 2011-09-01 18:41:46 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place EastBowralResident said "NO to tree planting on the footpaths in East Bowral. The existing trees that the council let the developer leave and then add more, are ugly, too big and many dead and dangerous. It is very hasardous walking or cycling. The trees that the council planted on Emiley Circuit with the cheap timber edging and the wood chip make the street look ugly not beautiful. Many trees are far too big and the council does not trim them and if they do, they hack into them. I certainly do not want that in my street making my house property look ugly and messy. I also do not want to spend more time having to maintain the council's property." 2011-09-01 18:38:44 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Wardy said "I agree a shop would be great. However I dont agree with the comment about the scottish arms general store... I think they just got greedy because they wanted to open the whole area as a bistro/hotel and wanted pokies put in. That shop was always packed when i was there!!!" 2011-09-01 17:59:13 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Wardy said "How about tennis courts, bbq area and covered tables at the East Bowral Playing fields." 2011-09-01 17:57:20 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark Treez said "I think extra parking is necessary. Would angle parking in the area suggested be an option as opposed to parallel parking? If parking is not allowed there, patrons will park further down each road, particularly Rowland Road and the same issue will occur on the grass verges further down. The road definitely needs widening in Rowland Road outside the Centre/Arms as people park on both sides which greatly restricts traffic flow for local traffic and causes a safety hazard especially at night time." 2011-09-01 17:31:23 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals DebC said "I think a number of the proposals are too heavily weighted towards problems in particular streets - the general works required here should be met from normal Council works budgets. The developer funds should be used for 'big picture' projects that enhance the appearance and amenity of the area as a whole, not street-specific repairs. Good examples are the suggestions for the creation of the Botanic Gardens entrance, beautification of the waterways and drainage lands etc. The creation of the Botanic Gardens in particular is going to enhance the whole area. I disagree strongly with the proposal to light the sports fields as I do not believe this is in the interests of the existing properties which face the fields. (I'm not one of them!) I also disagree with the basketball court proposal. This is a major chunk of the available 'East Bowral' funds, and of zero interest to the large number of retired residents." 2011-09-01 14:31:20 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral DebC said "East Bowral is developing well and is already showing the potential to become the 'garden suburb' of Bowral. I would like Council to continue supporting residents to develop this atmosphere by properly caring for the street trees (there are now quite a few that haven't thrived and are showing signs of disease), and ensuring that the open areas and wetlands are well maintained. The suburb and the new Botanical Gardens should be in harmony. " 2011-09-01 14:20:23 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place DebC said "Speeding is a big problem along the major roads and the longer streets in the area. Permanent traffic calming measures should be put in place in these areas. The ones I am specifically aware of are Boardman Road, Emily Circuit and Highland Drive, but there are others." 2011-09-01 14:11:14 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Ian Prior said "I generally support the projects nominated in the East Bowral area - however, as a priority I would like the Council to consider maintaining the existing street trees by prudent pruning and care. Further, some street trees have been lost to the wet weather root rot and also to vandalism. Replacement of these trees should be of a high priority to maintain the street scape continuity. Project 5 (Botanic Gardens Entrance) should be placed on high importance with a view to advancing the Gardens project. The Council should show leadership and commitment to the community. The Gardens will, no doubt, be a gateway to the Southern Highlands to those travelling from the coast and other places. A great opportunity exists now to action a project milestone. Projects 4 and 6 Certainly the waterways need urgent attention, but with care. Some of the reeds provide a very necessary habitat for native fauna and a filtration system for the water, but they also choke the waterways - a fine balance is required. Project 10. This should not be limited to those of Boardman Street, but general to the East Bowral area. Vegetation in roundabouts needs addressing with a traffic safety overview. It should not obstruct vission of entering vehicles or pedestrians. The view should not be only taken from the height of a large 4 wheel drive vehicle but also from a smaller vehicle of somewhat lower stance. The seed heads of the agapanthus should be trimmed soon after flowering as the seeds travel and become an environment issue. " 2011-09-01 13:46:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Harley street said "My wife and I would like to see the excess funds used to replace the mud/grass in Rowland Street opposite the Community Centre, with road-base and the remainder of the funds used to develop the Botanical Garden project. Thank you." 2011-09-01 12:27:31 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral mark81 said "A shop would be good, however I don't think it will be utilised. The existing shop at the Scottish Arms didn't go well as they can't compete with Supermarkets, and people don't mind driving to Bowral to save money. Tree Planting on roads needs to be very cautious. Many trees have now ripped up footpaths and kerbs meaning more money needs to be spent." 2011-09-01 11:01:04 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Charlie said "How about a shop so we don't have to drive all the way into Bowral to buy some bread or milk." 2011-08-31 20:45:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals LDE said "Please give some thought to adding more playgrounds for the younger childern, as a grandparent of which I am sure their are plenty in the area, plus even more young families. I believe we have enough trees and walks, how about somewhere where the kids can play on well thought out areas. eg the playground in Isabella Place it nothing short of an embarrasment. Equipment is mediocre, not much of it, and the landscaping is not existent." 2011-08-31 19:42:08 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-like-about-east-bowral Daniel said "With it's open spaces and walkways East Bowral has great potential to become even better. Everyone has the opportunity at their door step to take in some great walking tracks without worrying about heavy traffic." 2011-08-31 18:57:37 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Daniel said "I would like to see re-vegetation with suitable trees along King Ranch Dr. Over the years the existing trees have been pruned (hacked) to the point that they may as well not be there. They look very untidy." 2011-08-31 18:49:13 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Daniel said "I think this is a great idea that would benefit the entire community." 2011-08-31 18:44:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Daniel said "With regard to vegetation within several roundabouts, I would like to see trees planted in the centre. This may also have the effect of slowing traffic through the roundabouts as more time needs to be taken to see any approaching traffic." 2011-08-31 18:42:07 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral Tony said "If not already suggested, I believe there are suitable sites for a fenced area for dogs, off their leads, to socialise and exercise with other dogs. The site, in Centennial Road, is a great spot, much appreciated. There are so many dog owners in and around East Bowral. " 2011-08-31 10:00:33 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral sjb said "Although it is not in East Bowral, i would like to see the pathway on Boardman RD extended past the Christian School along the river to connect with the existing cycle track at Moss Vale bridge. The benefit to East Bowral residents would be terrific." 2011-08-30 21:44:55 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark pdm said "I agree , a porous paver solution is a good one as long as the footpath is diverted around the parking area. " 2011-08-30 21:25:38 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals pdm said "I am in support of an improvement in the Kangaloon Road pathway. As a very regular user of this walkway I would like to see the existing vegetation also cleaned up such as removal of willows and noxious weeds and dare I say it the Radiata pines. I would be in favour of extending this proposal all the way down to near the Botanic Gardens and creating a uniform corridor of display trees that will do the entrance to Bowral and the East Bowral area justice. I am not really in favour of native trees in this regard and would prefer deciduous that shade in the summer , provide a colour display in the Autumn and allow the sun in during the winter. They are also safer, not dropping branches and sticks on pedestrians , and if the right species are selected (eg not Claret Ash) they will not be destructive to the footpath and other infrastructure. " 2011-08-30 21:23:49 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place sjb said "I agree that some landscaping here would help. When we first moved to the area it was mown regulalry. Alas, the council seems to want to raise money from selling hay, so no longer do children play in the area, nor do people walk there dogs here. The long grass in summer is a snake and fire risk. If we can't landscape it, can we at least mow it regulalry." 2011-08-30 21:23:45 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral pdm said "Another missing link in the footpath system is from the end of Hammock Hill Place to the pathway near the wombats. This would not be a large cost as only about 30m involved." 2011-08-30 21:14:25 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-would-you-do-to-make-east-bowral-a-better-place robo said "Pedestrian and cycle access should be considered into the large open parkland area East of the Soccer Fields and South of the Rowland Street & Jonathon St intersection. This area is very picturesque and inaccessable. Some seating, bar b q area and walk/cycleways are void from this large sector of East Bowral and all residents could benefit from this "missing link" to the walk/cycleway network through East Bowral." 2011-08-30 21:07:09 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark robo said "Yes, additional parking is required around the Scottish Arms/Community Centre. A landscaping solution should be that parallel parking be permitted on turf concrete pavers where soil and turf can grow in the square matrix and this avoids unsightly mud and damage to lawns. Council mowers can ride over the top and keep lawn mown in keeping with the surrounding areas. This is a permanent and inexpensive fix to an on going problem." 2011-08-30 20:56:39 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals mark81 said "If any money is spent on this, the school should be the one to spend it. In addition to this, the spending of money on the botanical gardens should not be done as again it is outside the East Bowral area. " 2011-08-30 19:21:59 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/are-you-in-favour-of-continued-parking-on-rowland-road-opposite-the-east-bowral-community-centre-and-scottish-arms-carpark mark81 said "Parking needs to be thought of. If you do not allow Parking here, where are you to park for the centre and scottish arms. There is not enough parking when there are both the bistro and the centre in use." 2011-08-30 19:20:05 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/a-number-of-projects-have-already-been-nominated-for-consideration-do-you-have-any-other-ideas-for-improving-east-bowral mark81 said "Roads Rehabilitation in East Bowral. A few years ago a section of Boardman Road was resealed, however this was only done in a cold mix and did not repair the initial problem of a rough surface and pothole appearing. Other roads can do with rehabilitation. The surface along sections of Highlands Drive (in the original section - East) is starting to crack and won't be long before it needs to be worked on. Footpaths and Kerbs that have been lifted by the trees." 2011-08-30 19:18:31 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-current-proposals Sharron said "I am opposed to the spending of any community funds on an easement within a school which is outside of the perimeter of the East Bowral residential area in any event." 2011-08-29 10:48:41 +1000 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire mittagong said " As I keep saying it is not the art part it is the site of the proposal I am not happy with, and the costs that will be on the rate payer. There is too much evidence out there to prove it will be a burden on the community. " 2011-02-28 16:56:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said " I agree with you, art does give and enhance life on many levels, but it is the cost of this project and the location I am concerned about, however if art this is your job, you should not expect the rate payer to support your employment. And remember this site can not make a profit or capital gain under the trust, so how is it that any artist can sell or charge a fee, so it will be left once agin to the rate payer, maybe you as an artist can find the millions of dollars to build your own gallery, and not take the money from foot paths and services for people who need them. " 2011-02-28 16:41:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Frank said "The idea of a regional art gallery has merit but not at this location. It would cost quite a lot of money to refurbish that appalling building and the position is in an old part of Mittagong so a new modern gallery will certainly look out of place. I believe Bowral would be a much more suitable location as it is the centre of the Higlands." 2011-02-28 11:13:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Catherine said "As I responded elsewhere on this forum, you do need to understand that art is not a 'pastime' for many people - including myself. It is my job. For others painting or taking a photograph may be a pleasant weekend 'pastime'. And that is terrific - it is hard to think of another skill or activity that can engage such a wide variety of people and skill levels - from doing, to looking, appreciating and even buying. I am sure that there are many people who would be surprised to know just how many professional artists live and work in the highlands - the community may like to engage with, and support these artists. Denigrating professional artists and the arts by calling art a 'pastime' is not helpful to your argument. People look at, enjoy and buy art for all different reasons but art can and does enhance life on many levels." 2011-02-28 10:34:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire dean said "I don't know about the Newcastle situation, but It depends what value you put on the arts. That 1.5m could be considered money well spent. There are many public institutions that run at a loss financially- benefits are not always judged by this criteria. I think it's up to the council members to assess whether the community can afford this enterprise as they have been elected to lead." 2011-02-28 10:24:52 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire Catherine said "The many professional artists who I am referring to, who live around the highlands are just that - committed professional artists. Respected, innovative, contemporary (i.e. living) artists, many of whom have international reputations. Art Is not my 'pastime' as you put it, I do it everyday, it is my job. Art and culture give depth and breadth to communities and nations. Art involves communities, artists live in communities. For some it may be a 'pastime', and that is fine, but for others it is their livelihoods. " 2011-02-28 10:15:00 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery einstein said "The council has already squandered $2,000,000 of ratepayers money in high risk investments which should never have been entertained by a statutory body .The Council should be concentrating on sealing roads and providing kerbs & gutters instead of embarking on this type of adventure. " 2011-02-28 06:08:05 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire Silver Gelatin said "Yes, the Southern Highlands needs a Regional Art Gallery. But it must be done well. It needs an attractive building and an energetic Director with creative vision and professional standards. We don't want some parochial amateur outfit. It must be first class! People will travel to see high quality exhibitions and hear artist's talks. Just as they do now, at Sturt Craft Centre. Sturt proves that people will drive off the highway to see quality art exhibitions. There is a strong arts community in this area, which would benefit from a Regional Gallery. Also, a Regional Art Gallery is a sign of maturity for any region: it means the area values visual culture as part of its identity." 2011-02-27 22:30:17 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Silver Gelatin said "Yes I think it's worth doing. Obviously the building will need a lot of work to convert it into a gallery of a professional standard. But with the right architect and financial commitment from Council, something really good could be done on that site. " 2011-02-27 22:16:58 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said " If you get a chance to read the trust and all the legal advice you will see it is very complicated, and your issues are of a good nature, however non of them fall under the legal advise council has and will not beable to fall under the trust terms." 2011-02-27 21:21:21 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Jules said "No, although on paper the idea is good the proposed location is completely unsuitable for such a high profile facility. The location would be better suited to a more central location such as Bowral as Alfred street is essentially a residential area of Mittagong so there will be little or no passing tourists. Also the proposed location is indeed close to a primary school and I believe a school and an art gallery combined would create traffic problems in the narrow streets surrounding the area not to mention a possible safety issue with so many small children in the area. Furthermore, as mentioned by others there is no mention of any costs for such a project. The current building is in such a state of repair that it is really only suitable for demolition. I would suggest that the council look for a more central and accessible location for a proposed art galley." 2011-02-27 20:18:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mitzi said "I wish to express my support in retaining the former Mittagong Bowling and Recreation Club on Alexandra Square as a facility for Recreational use by the people of the area - as was the original intention of the Deed of Trust. The existing building and grounds are suitable for refurbishment and redevelopment as an Art Gallery Centre, and it has the potential to accommodate a variety of other recreational facilities that should be guided by the requirements of the people to whom the land and improvements were gifted in perpetuity by the original Trust Deed. The site offers flexibility to grow and develop in response to community and visitor needs. There are many recreational groups in the Southern Highlands that are desperate for venues to practice and demonstrate their activities, including but not limited to groups involved with Singing, Dancing, Music, Entertainment, Film making, Arts & Crafts, Acting, Poetry, and Debating teams. I hope that all Councillors will listen to the community, and can help provide a Regional Arts & Recreation Centre that will comply with the Trust Deed and also attract visitors to the Southern Highlands. " 2011-02-27 19:16:24 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire mittagong said " It was also reported in the paper in February 2011, that the Newcastle Regional Art gallery is loosing money and the council has to prop it up by 1.45 Million dollars from this years budget, and the average cost of runing a gallery is 350-500 thousand a year. I believe the community can not afford this project at this time. " 2011-02-27 18:14:18 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire mittagong said " You have good points but, the the old bowling club site should be for whole community to use and not one group or pastime, and if it cant be used for the whole community then knock it down and give the park to all us." 2011-02-27 18:04:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said " It seems that the art's people are in a different world when it comes spending the rate payers money to enhance their own pastime, one only has to investigate the concept of a Regional Art Gallery in this area and compare it with all the cost involved with other regional galleries sited outside of major cities or towns, all this information is available on the web and in the media, it show there is a mountain of evidence to prove this project on this site is destined to fail and it will be the community as a whole who will suffer in the end. I hate to bring bad news but the cost is too high, and the evidence is out there for all to see, for this project to have any chance to success in anyway it must be connected to a civic centre to off set the costs. Mittagong " 2011-02-27 17:54:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery dean said "There's no reason why not to pursue this site if the Council shows interest in development. A century may pass before this happens again. It may not be deemed the best location in terms of centralisation and what is typical, but if promoted and operated properly it has great potential as it's quite unique." 2011-02-27 16:52:38 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Veritas said "If it is good people will find it. The proximity near the lake is a plus. " 2011-02-27 16:38:46 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire dean said "It was reported by the Australia council for the Arts in the early part of the last decade that, per-capita, the southern highlands contains the largest concentration of artist anywhere in Australia. This is a vibrant and cultural community that would gain many internal benefits from a centralised venue for the arts that values and supports local talent. In addition, with the right enthusiasm from the community and leadership from the authorities, it has the potential to be a national and international draw card for tourists and artists that will give this region an identity distinct from any other place Australia." 2011-02-27 16:37:23 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire Catherine said "People are forgetting the we already have a world class venue for craft - woodwork, contemporary jewellery, weaving, textile and fabrics, glass etc in the Sturt Gallery and shop. It is in a lovely setting - something which could also easily be achieved at the old bowling club site. In fact there is room there for a decent display of sculpture Wouldn't it be amazing to also be able to offer a first class art gallery to complement that fine craft venue (and vice versa)? A real incentive for visitors to come to the Southern Highlands for cultural reasons. A Regional Gallery also gives residents a great opportunity to support local artists and craftspeople, as there are many world class artists living in the area. Many of these show their work in major cities and overseas, not where they live. I think a properly run, professional gallery could have enormous community benefits." 2011-02-27 15:43:45 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Catherine said "Yes. While Rob's suggestion to use the old maltings site is a good one, the old bowling club would be a bit more manageable to restore and would indeed make a really fantastic site for an art gallery. Many many fine artists live in this area and it would be wonderful for the community as a whole. A quality regional gallery would also attract visitors and provide people with another reason to come here. A gallery showing top contemporary art (as well as historical and a range of special shows) would complement the fine craftwork on show at Sturt Gallery and its shop. But it must be a professionally run gallery with a programme and a vision." 2011-02-27 15:22:30 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Helen Ryan said "In my opinion, an Art Gallery could be the right choice providing it encompasses all age groups. The Youth of the Highlands and other areas should be encouraged to participate and exhibit as well. Properly managed it could be a vibrant hub for the Arts but if too passive it could languish and fail. I sincerely hope it succeeds, with the right vision and planning anything is possible." 2011-02-25 16:48:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Rob said "No. If the proposed redevelopment to make Bowral Memorial Hall a dedicated performing arts centre goes ahead, the Shire will need a space that provides the facilities that will be lost by that redevelopment. The large floor space and beautiful northerly aspect of the old Bowling Club, make it a very attractive replacement for the current facilities provided by the Bowral Memorial Hall - it would be an ideal venue for community groups and private individuals to hold functions there. Part of the building could be leased to organizations needing office space so that there is a regular (perhaps small) income to offset maintenance costs. This sort of regular tenancy would also protect it from the vandalism that hits an empty, disused building. What happened to the proposals that were put forward some years ago to make the Bowling Club a multi-purpose community centre? I like the suggestion to investigate the potential of the Old Maltings site as a Regional Art Gallery." 2011-02-25 10:53:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Rob said "This is a great idea that deserves full examination. The building urgently needs restoration before it reaches a stage where claims can be made that it must be demolished for safety reasons. The atmosphere created by such a site would be unique and would enhance exhibitions staged there. The cost would be massive but it doesn't have to be totally funded by Council (ratepayers) - some imaginative seeking of grants, sponsorship etc is needed. Linking with existing major galleries/museums is a possibility worth investigating." 2011-02-25 10:36:03 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery bour said "As is suggested to me there is no possibility to generate income for council and or artists at this site it will definitely become a bottomless money well. Our shire & council are in no financial position to be able to justify this sort of project without creating a healthy return for the whole community. It will not generate any tourism dollars or other secondary income for the highlands. As it stands at the moment no one will seriously benefit from this sort of development. " 2011-02-25 10:09:26 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire bour said "I don't think the council should get involved in an art center. It has the high potential of becoming a white elephant. I do agree that local artists should have an opportunity to display their art and we have many other venues & opportunities to already do this. I do not think that the wider community would see any benefit is this and certainly tourism would not increase because of an art center. Give wide opportunity to the art business community to create more interest and they should contribute to this effort." 2011-02-25 09:57:46 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal hippity said "This does require hard work and strong leadership and, most importantly, community support. I think we have all of these in place, as much as our local political and economic framework will allow. All the comments listed here are valid but, most importantly, we need to get on with it and go for it while we have this window of opportunity. Unwavering vision is what is important." 2011-02-25 09:26:01 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire hippity said "Yes, as much as any other shire does, for the health of our artist community, the development of appreciation and participation in art and for the sheer joy of residents. This project will create ripple effects, create tourist opportunities and a significant economic impact and add to richness of the lives of our residents. What a fabulous opportunity! The position is unique. There is so much land there that could be harnessed for anything ranging from sculpture gardens and/or sculpted gardens to artist retreats, and the site has such a rich historical significance that should be capitalised on. " 2011-02-25 09:19:44 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery hippity said "Absolutely! We live in one of the most creative communities. Artists choose to live here for many sensible reasons. There is very little to harness and foster these individuals and use their skills for the benefit of the whole community, our school and tertiary students, our mums and dads, our retired residents and all others. There has been mention of a focus on touring exhibitions. I hope this means our artists, however, will be central to the gallery and tour to other galleries. The larger focus should be on fostering and developing them and harnessing them for education programs, teaming their skills with other perhaps, rather than importing art for its own sake. We have wonderful resources here. " 2011-02-25 09:12:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Art lover said "With careful planning and consideration, I think this could be a good use of the site. As others have said, come on, let's get on with it. It could also be used for affordable art workshops for the young and old throughout the week and during school holidays. As I have seen in other regional galleries, it can also be a space for showcasing musical talent and other such performances." 2011-02-20 20:39:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal mittagong said " I agree to a point, you have to feel sorry for those who live near the Bradman museum complex, it also must be remembered how and why they were able to build such a complex, they got the millions of dollars from the government, because at the time John Howard was the priminister and he is one of the biggest Cricket fans you could find,and there was no other cricket museum in the southern hemisphere like it. So it was a done deal that they would get the 3 or was it 6 millions of dollars needed for that monstrosity. Yet right across the road is the Bowral hospital, no money give there to save lives ?. I am not an artist (maybe your are) but love the arts, I will not be convinced the site is the best, Maybe you could suggest to the council, it be build near your home, and not mine. You also have to check the conditions of this site, I beleive if the Gallery goes ahead on that site, by law of the trust on the land , the council can not make a profit or a capital gain, so if that is the case who will fund the 500 a year to run it, this is according to the study done in 2005 of 34 regional galleries in NSW and their cost to their community, and the loss the councils are making even if they are able to make a profit, which they dont. Just look at Newcastle Regional Art Gallery, their council has to prop them up for $1.4 million dollars to keep it going. Mittagong " 2011-02-18 10:42:35 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire museumuser said "As an ex-resident of the area and an arts consultant, I wholeheartedly endorse the proposal for a regional gallery at the Mittagong bowling club site. With modifications, the site has great potential as a purpose-designed space for touring and local exhibitions. Quite apart from tourism appeal, the demographics of the area would sustain such a development, having as it does a high number of culturally-aware citizens who currently need to travel elsewhere to see museum quality exhibitions. The viability would, of course, be conditional on achieving set-up and operational funding from state and relevant funding bodies for the project. In other council and regional centres galleries, once established, enjoy huge support and pride from their communities and are a focus for a range of art/cultural activities. " 2011-02-18 09:55:45 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal Bruce said "It is noted that a sporting museum gets the thumbs up and is poorly designed. It is erected in a residential area and seemingly without any money quibbles. How about supporting the arts for a change? The only argument against a Regional Gallery seems to be the dollar. Perhaps it's about time some expertise is introduced first and real figures produced from other Galleries experiences. After the election, perhaps the State Government may be tempted to kick in!?" 2011-02-17 22:38:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said "It's not the concept of the Gallery, its the cost to the rate payer, I see in the media and on radio its up to 500 thousand a year to run and I do not what to spend all that money on one thing each year when it can not return a profit of that size. I also think the site being in a residential area and next to a school, not good. All those extra cars and trucks etc, It would be best in a civic centre, which would help with costings. Mittagong" 2011-02-17 16:38:46 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal mittagong said "My main problem with all this, is the proposed location for this Regiona Art Gallery, it is out of the way, it needs to be central to transport and not in a residential area. The next problem is the cost, I see and hear much in the local media that running a gallery like this will cost up to 500 thousand dollars a year to run. I would not support such a project at that cost. I still need a footpath in front of my house. Mittagong" 2011-02-17 16:21:18 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-we-need-a-regional-art-gallery-in-the-shire Bruce said "Of course we need a Regional Gallery in this Region. When I travel I look for a Gallery or Museum which gives a focus to an area. Driving 60 to 80 Kms. to another area won't do that. A Regional Gallery will help to compliment all the smaller galleries and attract professional artists from interstate and overseas. What a tourist attraction that will be! This will offer employment and attract 'friends' volunteers and patrons to offset any extra wages." 2011-02-17 13:56:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal Bruce said "A Regional Gallery provides a focus for art in the Southern Highlands. As well as an educational centre, it will also attract and inspire local and interstate artists to the area. A Gallery then becomes a tourist attraction which then builds local pride. This new centre will bring together all the local galleries under one Southern Highlands banner. A Gallery like this will attract 'friends' and volunteers to help the Curator/Director, lessening the need for extra staff. Bravo I say!" 2011-02-17 13:38:33 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/do-you-have-any-other-comments-relating-to-the-proposal cliffrob said "The lapsed leisure centre was a great idea. A community arts centre is also a great idea, though details in our minds of what such a facility would include may well differ. Before any real move takes place, it is imperative that funds are actually available. However good the idea there must be a pathway that is practical. " 2011-02-16 21:50:48 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery cliffrob said "I hear no cautionary remarks about what at first sight would obviously be a desirable addition to the region. We expect more and more from our government organisations with the result that there is always a tendency to increase cost burdens. Some activities can arguably be supported by local government, but not everything. There have to be priorities. A long term business plan/cost benefit analysis would be necessary to show what the full cost implicatons would be for subsidy and underwriting. This is the necessary first step after conceiving the idea." 2011-02-16 21:41:20 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Mitta said "I support the development of the former Mittagong Bowling Club as a Regional Art Gallery. The property has been unused for at least the last 9 years (since we moved to the area). It is a pity to see such a valuable asset being left to deteriorate. The design incorporates the existing buildings thus reducing overall costs. With adequate signage, I cannot see any problem with people making their way to the site from the main street (Goulburn Regional Art Gallery is set back from the main street). The proposed gallery is in a good position situated just above the lake and facing north towards Mount Alexander. To those who argue that we already have a Regional Art Gallery in Goulburn - Bathurst and Orange have separate Regional Art Galleries and are closer together than Mittagong and Goulburn. Being part of the Regional Art Gallery group would give the community access to the wonderful range of exhibitions which travel throughout the state - a great benefit for everyone in the community. Given the history of the Highlands as a centre for art with many prominent artists living in the district, it is a pity that we do not have a regional art gallery." 2011-02-16 21:17:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Peter Cunningham said "Hmmm! Henry - that brings it all back a few cogs! Now that you mention it - I do remember when engaged in some local battles, that what you now raise is so. Additionally, I should have learned by now that 'assuming' makes an ASS out of many people. Seems it's my turn (again). My absence over recent times shows. Peter Cunningham " 2011-02-15 14:47:10 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery henry said "your question about 'what is the most effective way to utilise the area' is not a question for this forum. it a question for the charitable trust that governs the use of the site. the attorney general has already made his thoughts known on this a number of times and council shd be very aware of the limitation- it's not a decision for the community at large." 2011-02-15 13:52:32 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery henry said "the locations is attractive but it is useless for the gallery. it is acknowledged in the generic checklist that a regional art gallery needs to be located 'adjacent' to shops and offices. in other words, it needs to have existing pedestrian traffic so they can be lured into the gallery. think about it - how much pedestrian traffic is there at Alexandra Square? Answer: very little. This will minimise visitor numbers and signficantly limit the success of such a venture." 2011-02-15 13:49:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Peter Cunningham said "YUP - Just what I think. An asset that is: 'Wrong place' - 'Ugly' - 'Vandalised', and the last thing Council would want on their hands - as it stands - or even if 'improved'. Pity - some good can come out of it, but all requires money and expertise. Thankfully in this Shire we are blessed with considerable, and varied expertise like I have seen in very few places. Progress will happen with the ingredients of: Opportunity - Vision - Money - Skills. Remove any factor from any 'project' and the results will be other than desirable. PC" 2011-02-14 21:49:29 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said " Agreed these forums are a good idea, if the building is not used as Regional Art Gallery then what to do with it, it has been empty for 7 years in August, and has been vandalised inside and out 5 times that I know of within those 7 years, the council has spent, I would think at least $50 thousand dollars overal in leagal advise in that time, yet the building still sits there empty and decaying, and has now become an eyesaw. The use of the building has too many restrictions because of the Trust on the land. I beleive this council will do nothing with this site, just like that last council did, nothing, it will be put in the too hard tray again for the next council to do, nothing also. And this will be the history of the site, until someone gets hurt at that site or it falls down. It should also be noted the majority of people don't care or are sick of talking or hearing about this old bowling club building. Mittagong " 2011-02-14 21:21:39 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Peter Cunningham said "The reality in life is that: a) 'everything' costs money. b) People don't want to part with their money. c) People enjoy convenience from accumulated money, sourced from a broad base. (tax) I believe the old bowling club site to be a good site, and the building to be a structure (soundness unknown) designed for a specific purpose - that of a bowling club (or similar) Assuming it to be sound, then it is an asset - along with the grounds. But what sort of asset? As it is no longer a bowling club, then it's a specifically designed building and grounds with an asset value - but which is a liability if no purpose can be found for the asset. And here we are - silk purse and sows ear situation. Personally I believe that it can be usefully used, but not privy to information and 'stuff' that a project manager (the likes of me) could use - or the time to use it - then my comments (and all here) are merely an expression of opinion - a GOOD thing. All isn't lost, because Council via this survey will be better able to create a viability study and determine the next step. It's a bit cumbersome, but that's democracy in action. Pity more people don't / can't be aware of this forum -- it's a very powerful tool if used correctly. Peter Cunningham " 2011-02-14 20:45:42 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said "Hate to tell you, but because of the trust, one of the conditions of the legal advise is that you can not make a profit, or any capital gain. So any artist thinking of displaying items, could not sell there wares. There seems to be so many things that have not been addressed in this concept plan and all the fact have not been stated. This building will be a money pit on the community, and I agree with you it will become a white elephant. Mittagong " 2011-02-14 17:50:13 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery mittagong said "All very good ideas and I too agree the location is not the best a more central one is needed, it must be rememberd that the council can not sell Alexandra Park as they are only the trustee's, they do not really own the land as it is held in trust for all times. But I am sure that our council can find a more central location for this Gallery idea, however I think it will all die, due to the cost, that will be a big burden on the rate payer for a long long long time. It will never make a profit, all you have to do is look at the other galleries they do not suport themselves, they are a money pit on most councils Regards Mittagong" 2011-02-14 17:39:57 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Peter Cunningham said "I agree with both Peter & Grumpy. The core theme seems to be that it's all a great idea, but the location is unsuited to a 'centre of culture' - certainly not one that would be a drawcard for visitors. It's location in the midst of residential area means that the facility is not going to be a 'money spinner' or tourist attraction because people would not think to look there. The questions I would now ask are: a) What is the most effective way to utilise the area for the benefit of the community? (which is the big question in this forum) b) Bearing in mind zoning & planning factors, can the facility be made as a 'cost neutral'*, multi function community centre, meeting place, arts and culture for schools and citizen groups (whatever)? (*ie: users meet the costs post construction) c) Does the Shire need another such facility? d) What are the full turnkey costs, and ongoing operation and maintenance costs of designing and constructing such a thing? e) Is it better to look for another more attractive location and commit funds from the sale of the land to a longer term goal of a regional community centre? The comments on this forum will undoubtedly help those people on Council who would no doubt already have asked. It's a great opportunity for people who care to be heard. Peter Cunningham" 2011-02-14 09:55:56 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery peter said "Grumpy makes good comments but the issue of the best location is still to be answerred. I have driven past the site and do not think it is at all attractive!! I also think it is a bit out of the way.....now spending money can fix most things to make them work and this site will need a lot of money to make it work. A lot of money and the right very good management of the site could make it work, but we, as a district would be likely starting with two big drawbacks ; in other words, we are making it harder for the whole thing to work and not be a cost burden. Peter " 2011-02-14 09:11:11 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery peter said "No I am not capable of making a judgement as to what schools are better than another in the district. If I were to be listing all the managerial issues to take on board in making a decission on whether proximity to schools rates or not as an input, I would be likely to talk to the heads of the schools to determine whether their school had an interest in the regional gallery and whether or not they would integrate some learning model between their school and the gallery. One of the benefits of having a regional gallery would be to assist in educating school pupils and other sectors of the community and it could be that additional funding was available through the right connections and interaction" 2011-02-14 09:04:51 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Grumpy said "If done properly a Regional Art Gallery would be a very good use of the land. It will serve the local schools and even the High Schools and provide local artists with an avenue for development. However, we should not delude ourselves into thinking that this will be a draw-card for tourism etc., it will, at best, add to the already significant number of reason to visit the Southern Highlands. It would be a pity if some sort of community use facility was not incorporated into the development. " 2011-02-14 08:41:40 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery bour said "I don't think the Council needs to build and get involved in a regional art centre. It will become another white elephant for the council. There are enough other relevant & needed projects that require attention. What about giving a number of commercial art centres the opportunity to "develop" this site at their cost and charge a rent. You could attach conditions to this sort of setup like: You need to display more than 30% of the art from regional artists or once a year there is a large exhibition of regional art. " 2011-02-14 08:35:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Smocker said "I hope you are not saying the Tudor House, Bowral Primary of Gibgate would be better schools to have access to the gallery. Perhaps the students of St Michaels and Mittagong Public School are only destined for the 'trades'?" 2011-02-14 08:28:16 +1100 http://yoursaywingecarribee.com.au/topic/should-the-former-mittagong-bowling-club-be-developed-as-a-regional-art-gallery Peter Cunningham said "Yes, I agree with you to a point. I agree that the old Maltings building would be a great choice, and taken a step further, is of a size that would accommodate FAR more than various art forms. Additionally, that such a facility would be of such a scope to be an adjunct with the main art gallery in Sydney. I thought just as you did, but didn't want to hog the space here. Now, down to the practical questions: 1) Who currently owns the Maltings site? 2) What would it cost to buy and rezone etc the site? 3) What would it cost to completely renovate and modernise the building - eg: Powerhouse museum style perhaps. Given the scope of such a development, and it's (I think) substantial impact on visitors to our Shire, funding is a key issue. Ratepayers could not fund such a thing, so should a feasibility study determine that a proper proposal be in order, and that based on outside funding (from a bankrupt and inept state government?) - then it's a far better choice. What does it mean for the old bowling club? Back to square one eh? However - treated as an asset to help fund a larger scale and superior facility, could be sold off for appropriate development, commensurate with adjoining properties, and be funding to create the feasibility study etc for the Maltings concept. That said - without funding for the larger likely, then it would be folly to sell off the Bowling Club asset. What I am saying is - it's great to kick around concepts and ideas, but along the road reality will bite - but if we are constrained by the omnipresent 'reality', then 'nothing' would get done. I think it's worth pursuing. Peter Cunningham " 2011-02-10 07:30:16 +1100